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What would a non binary teacher be addressed as?

288 replies

GemGEmGemster · 02/02/2022 18:55

dd’s school expects all teachers to be addressed as ‘sir’ or ‘miss’. She’s just asked me what a non binary teacher would be called. Any ideas?

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SamphiretheStickerist · 04/02/2022 18:02

Yes indeed they are. Yet some NB people want access to both spaces. They may not be seeing it like you are right?

Well, wrong. Single sex spaces are single sex spaces. Multi gendered, but single sex.

Noisyneighneigh · 04/02/2022 18:48

They shouldn't be allowed to work with kids.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 04/02/2022 19:11

@TheLovelinessOfDemons

Everyone who doesn’t ascribe to gender ideology is technically gender fluid.

OK, so why does that seem to be a problem for so many people on this thread? I agree with this.

It isn't a problem, it's just absurd and I can't muster any respect for it.

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EishetChayil · 04/02/2022 19:13

How I feel has nothing to do with genitals.

Then it's just about stereotypes then?

Mrbob · 04/02/2022 19:53

On a general note I do feel quite bad fir people who seem to need the lable so badly

What like people who seem to need to be called Mrs so badly when they get married? They are the same person as they were the day before…

Just because you can’t imagine how it feels doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Most people on this thread will feel like a woman. Not because they have breasts (some in fact won’t) but because they feel female. Most of us will never know what it feels to wake up in a day and not feel that so I don’t see how someone can explain how it feels. It’s alien to most of us but that doesn’t mean it is not real.

Children however rarely start off as arseholes and will be happy to aim to understand the difference and call someone by a title of respect. We all ask that of them and yet some of you seem to think NB people aren’t entitled to that.

If I spent a day at work with people calling me Mrs I would be cranky. I am not a Mrs. And at least the gender there is correct. I just am really bemused why it’s so hard to be respectful to people

Noisyneighneigh · 04/02/2022 19:54

@EishetChayil

How I feel has nothing to do with genitals.

Then it's just about stereotypes then?

On Wednesdays she scrubs her loo. That's her feminine day. On Sundays she does car maintenance and puts the bins out. That's her masculine day.
Mrbob · 04/02/2022 20:06

On Wednesdays she scrubs her loo. That's her feminine day. On Sundays she does car maintenance and puts the bins out. That's her masculine day.

I think some people are being deliberate dickheads.

SirChenjins · 04/02/2022 20:08

Only if it’s their male feelz day.

Rheopecticfluid · 04/02/2022 20:25

SirChenjins Grin

Whatelsecouldibecalled · 04/02/2022 20:31

In our school the non binary trainee teacher emailed all staff asking to be referred to as 'teacher' or 'mixter'

HPLikecraft · 04/02/2022 20:31

Most people on this thread will feel like a woman. Not because they have breasts (some in fact won’t) but because they feel female

Couldn't disagree more. I'm sure most will not feel like a woman; they just accept the fact that they are one due to their biology. I certainly don't 'feel' like a woman.

Noisyneighneigh · 04/02/2022 20:33

@SirChenjins

Only if it’s their male feelz day.
I'm wearing skinny jeans. It's a feminine day today.
hihellohihello · 04/02/2022 20:34

Surname only?

What would you call a non binary judge?

trumpisagit · 04/02/2022 20:49

😅
Pronounced mucks?

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 04/02/2022 21:01

Mrbob moat people don't care though. When I was a teacher I didn't care whether the kids called me Miss or Miss Maiden name or Mrs Married name (I got married a couple of years into working at a school) or Mrs maiden name, or mum... teachers (in different ways depending upon whether primary, secondary, special needs etc) have to have thick skins and cope with all sorts of both innocent and deliberate-accidentally-on-purpose forms of address and comments and field and deflect inappropriate questions.

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 04/02/2022 21:04

In my current tangential to teaching job I spent a couple of years answering to Evelyn, which isn't my name, for convoluted but in context perfectly understandable reasons. As long as it's not done out of malice it doesn't matter one iota what anyone calls you.

Mrbob · 04/02/2022 21:16

Its not about having a thin skin. I am an emergency doctor. I spend a lot of my time being called either "cunt" or "nurse". I take them in my stride. I gently and politely correct someone about being a nurse and I expect them to call me by the correct title next time. I don't correct them about being a cunt Wink

Rheopecticfluid · 04/02/2022 21:19

I expect them to call me by the correct title next time

You can expect it if you want. You certainly can't demand it.

extractorfactor · 04/02/2022 21:32

Most people on this thread will feel like a woman. Not because they have breasts (some in fact won’t) but because they feel female. Most of us will never know what it feels to wake up in a day and not feel that so I don’t see how someone can explain how it feels. It’s alien to most of us but that doesn’t mean it is not real.
See I'm not sure I agree with this statement (although tbf you say most not all) but I don't feel female or male. Sometimes I feel happy, sometimes I feel sad, sometimes I feel joy sometimes I feel anger in other words I feel emotions. But I don't feel male or female. I'm not sure I would ascribe being male or female as an emotional state?

Whatwouldscullydo · 04/02/2022 22:40

Children however rarely start off as arseholes and will be happy to aim to understand the difference and call someone by a title of respect. We all ask that of them and yet some of you seem to think NB people aren’t entitled to that

Stop using the vulnerabilities of children to push non sensible thinking. Theres a word fir that.

One person's right to " respect " ends at someone else's right to name what they see with their own eyes and use words that have actual meanings.

Children are not here to validate adults identity. Its yours amd yours alone. No one else is responsible for it

Mrbob · 05/02/2022 08:32

I think my eyes have been well and truly open to MN this week. I am glad I am not one of you

ScreamingBeans · 05/02/2022 08:35

Most people on this thread will feel like a woman. Not because they have breasts (some in fact won’t) but because they feel female.

What does it mean to feel female? How does feeling female feel? Nobody ever engages honestly with this question.

ScreamingBeans · 05/02/2022 08:41

just am really bemused why it’s so hard to be respectful to people

You mean you're really bemused by why it's so hard for women to just STFU and do what they're told.

It's not respectful to me, to expect me to pretend I believe in your belief system. It's not respectful to try and force me to lie about what I see in front of my own eyes. It's deeply disrespectful in fact.

Respect only goes one way for genderists.

StarMouse879 · 05/02/2022 08:55

My eldest child is non binary. I'm still learning what that really means to them, but I will attempt to articulate what I know. Because from what I have observed, it goes significantly deeper than not wanting to conform to male/female stereotypes. There is - and has always been - a deep sense of being out of place among people of their biological sex. Like they are wired differently and although they look the same, they feel like an alien in a strange land. Like they should speak the same language, but they don't. And then, although they gravitate to people of the opposite sex, they don't fit there either.

They express this as being non binary. I would probably see it as just being themselves in their own unique way. But having a label for this aspect of their sense of self does appear to have helped them feel about 1000% more comfortable in their skin and function better in society.

I'm not going to come back to defend what I've said here. I know people will try and unpick what I've said. But I find the way non binary people are talked about on here pretty upsetting as the parent of an amazing young person who is just trying to find their place in the world. So I'll leave it here in the hope that there will be some level on which it helps people be a bit more tolerant of a very complicated thing that isn't going to go away.

EishetChayil · 05/02/2022 08:59

Starmouse, your child sounds like me when I was young. Very much like me. I'm on the spectrum.

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