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(Wrong) English etiquette guides for Europeans.

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GaiusHelenMohiam · 20/01/2022 14:09

I was chatting to a customer yesterday at work. She’s lived in the UK for a few years but has yet to make any meaningful female friendships, works with a load of blokes who she gets on fine with but is looking for real friendship.

Anyway, one of the first things she said to me was ‘you have beautiful eyes’ which was lovely if a bit out of nowhere (and I did wonder if she was chatting me up).

A little bit later we ended up chatting at the bar and she told me about the friends thing and that she was reading a book (in her language) about English etiquette and that apparently the done thing is to find something to compliment your new acquaintance on.

I think this is great, if slightly bonkers advice, and I wish it really was an English thing to do. I always make a point of sincerely complimenting people on a particular dress, shoes, etc but it’s not routine.

I did say to her I’d probably steer clear of commenting on hair, eyes or anything physical, because it can come across a bit intense, and that it’s not particularly a very British thing to do but I think it should be.

I just love the idea that there are books floating around Europe with completely off base ways of behaving more like the locals when you move to the UK.

I’m really curious what else her book tells her but alas I didn’t get a chance to ask before closing time. If she comes back I’ll find out.

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PermanentTemporary · 20/01/2022 19:17

Frankly @OnwardsAndSideways1 I'm with your dh - surely tea dresses should be bought forthwith.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 20/01/2022 19:36

[quote iklboo]@Snoken - also acceptable in the scenario is 'not bad, thanks. You?' Possible answers you'll get:

Yes thanks
Aye, not bad
Oh, you know
Getting there

Grin[/quote]
Don’t forget, ‘Mustn’t grumble,’. 😂

BertieBotts · 20/01/2022 19:36

Oh yes people really think that you have afternoon tea. I had to explain to students about just drinking tea constantly or several times throughout the day and it not really being a sacred ritual.

I was also asked multiple times how on earth we could drink milk in tea - they didn't realise that it was a specific kind of tea, and were just imagining various herbal/fruit teas with milk in :o In other countries tea refers to (quite reasonably) all kinds of tea, so it is a bit baffling that we use it to refer to a very specific and hard to find kind of tea. The first time I tried to buy tea in a German supermarket I experienced this in reverse. I asked an assistant for tea and was directed to the biggest selection of every kind of tea imaginable - but no "ordinary tea". I eventually tried black tea, assam tea and English Breakfast tea (they all taste like cat wee) and then I gave up and asked relatives from the UK to post us some!

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FinallyHere · 20/01/2022 19:46

My DH is half German and still doesn't believe me that its more polite to turn up to a social engagement at an English person's house 5 minutes late than ten minutes early...

I grew up in Germany, now live in England.

No one would arrive 10mins early in Germany. They will get to the location 10mins early then walk up and down so they can ring the bell exactly at the time for which you are invited.

When my mother used to warn new people that that is how it works there. They would often not believe her, til they had their own party and looked out the window a few minutes before the time set to see everyone walking up by and down, ready to press the doorbell at the appointed time.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 20/01/2022 19:48

@Hellocatshome

With the tea thing it's not just foreign people that can't understand an English person not drinking tea the English are just as bad. I dont drink tea or coffee and honestly half the time I think it would just be easier to force it down than have to explain for the hundredth time I just don't like it, it isn't a personal insult that I dont want you to make me one!
And try telling Brits (not just English people) that even though you are English, you don’t want milk in your tea! You’re invariably branded a weirdo. And even after you’ve told them, they still sometimes put it in, since it’s so automatic. I have to give it back - it honestly tastes vile to me.
SecretKeeper1 · 20/01/2022 19:50

@kavalkada

There was an advice in my english book (written by two british guys): if you want to practice your english in UK, it is best if you sit by an older person on the bus and start talking with them about weather or good old days. It also said that old people are often lonely and will be grateful to you if you start talking with them.

Years later when I went for the first time to UK, I did everything not to follow their advice.

The book also said that British people always eat meat with marmelade. It was very funny book, when I think of it.

That is so true about old people on buses, they’ll talk to anyone given half a chance. I love nattering to old people (when I know it’s only for a limited time) about the weather, how times have changed, what such-and-such shop used to be etc etc.

And if you’ve got kids with you on that bus, don’t be surprised when said old person presses a coin into their hand, for ice cream.

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 20/01/2022 19:53

til they had their own party and looked out the window a few minutes before the time set to see everyone walking up by and down, ready to press the doorbell at the appointed time.

That's so funny!

I'd be so stressed if everyone turned up on time Grin

boatyardblues · 20/01/2022 19:54

@Snorkmaidenn

A German friend of mine was very confused when she first moved to UK by the "How funny" exclamation, when in fact what she said wasn't funny at all. She couldn't work out why we didn't just say "how strange or peculiar". Grin
At school in my friendship group we’d sometimes ask one another the follow up question “funny haha or funny weird?” if an anecdote wasn’t clear, so I agree with your German friend it’s unclear.
debwong · 20/01/2022 19:55

It also included how queueing at the chip shop means standing in a line and queueing at the bar in the pub is every man for themselves!

Good point!

MarciaDidia · 20/01/2022 19:56

@BertieBotts

I taught English for a while and how do you do is indeed in business English textbooks even though it went out with the ark!

I will rack my brains to try and think of anything more.

I say how do you do if I'm meeting someone new. Mainly in a business context I suppose.
KirstenBlest · 20/01/2022 19:59

Me too @MarciaDidia

minou123 · 20/01/2022 20:04

KirstenBlest

MrsMoastyToasty
DH gets given malt whiskey every Christmas by his senior managers because all Scotsmen drink whiskey apparently.
DH is Scottish. We live in England. He hates whiskey.

Whiskey is irish. Whisky is scottish

Is that right? Because that explains a lot. I love Whisky, but always got confused with the spelling.

It's a bit like Gray and Grey. Ones British and the other American, but for the life of me, I can't remember which ones which.

Mikeythecat · 20/01/2022 20:08

Not really linked, but I met à French guy in a bar 15 years ago who (upon hearing my English accent) came up to me a said, "Grrrr. You English people with your fucking Neighbourhood Watch! Fuck your Neighbourhood Watch!"

I'd love to know what happened to him.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 20/01/2022 20:13

When I went to stay with my Spanish penfriend in 6th form I took a hamper of typical English food as a gift. My penfriends mum thought she should make me tea because 'English people like tea' but she somehow thought you infused the teabag in warm milk. It was absolutely gross but I drank it every morning of the 2 weeks I was there so as not to be rude.

BertieBotts · 20/01/2022 20:13

Yes perhaps it is still used in a business context.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 20/01/2022 20:19

@UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme

A lecturer on a course I did in Germany also believed that English people eat mint sauce with all meals - I thought she was joking but it turned out she wasn't and was determined to make me admit it's true.

Mine are almost universally food apart from punctuality norms though.

I lived in India for a year and was accused of being "on English time" - first I thought it meant I was literally 5 hours too early on GMT, but it meant I was being anal about punctuality Blush Which is ironic considering its the other way around in Germany where I now live.

My lovely Indian friend invited me to her daughter's birthday party. Invitations read starting at 2pm - but she said that's Indian 2pm, so come at 3, dear... I love her so much
MurciaMarmalade · 20/01/2022 20:20

My partner is Spanish and we live in Manchester. He couldn't get his head round everyone saying 'see you later' as a goodbye when no-one has any intention of seeing anybody later!
He was also told we all stop to drink tea at 5pm Smile

LemonRedwood · 20/01/2022 20:32

@minou123

KirstenBlest

MrsMoastyToasty
DH gets given malt whiskey every Christmas by his senior managers because all Scotsmen drink whiskey apparently.
DH is Scottish. We live in England. He hates whiskey.

Whiskey is irish. Whisky is scottish

Is that right? Because that explains a lot. I love Whisky, but always got confused with the spelling.

It's a bit like Gray and Grey. Ones British and the other American, but for the life of me, I can't remember which ones which.

Gr a y = American

Gr e y = English

Squidthing · 20/01/2022 20:34

Lol at poor old Fernando Grin

Squidthing · 20/01/2022 20:34

Young Fernando really.

LemonRedwood · 20/01/2022 20:35

My favourite spoof one is that in Britain, taking your dog for a walk is colloquially known as dogging. Therefore it's perfectly acceptable to announce, "I'm just going dogging, back in a bit." 😁

Powaqa · 20/01/2022 20:35

@minou123

KirstenBlest

MrsMoastyToasty
DH gets given malt whiskey every Christmas by his senior managers because all Scotsmen drink whiskey apparently.
DH is Scottish. We live in England. He hates whiskey.

Whiskey is irish. Whisky is scottish

Is that right? Because that explains a lot. I love Whisky, but always got confused with the spelling.

It's a bit like Gray and Grey. Ones British and the other American, but for the life of me, I can't remember which ones which.

GrAy = American GrEy = English
banivani · 20/01/2022 20:37

@Mikeythecat

Not really linked, but I met à French guy in a bar 15 years ago who (upon hearing my English accent) came up to me a said, "Grrrr. You English people with your fucking Neighbourhood Watch! Fuck your Neighbourhood Watch!"

I'd love to know what happened to him.

Oh my god I’m howling!
saturdayhelicopter · 20/01/2022 20:40

When I was travelling in Russia we had a set of twins in their 20s as guides. They were lovely and liked asking us questions about Britain and one day asked 'is it true that when you say you're going to the WC you say 'I'm going to the Winston Churchill' to be polite?'

We all fell about laughing and continued to do so until one of our party ate a big ball of wasabi thinking it was a pea. I think we really excelled ourselves in proving how dreadful British people abroad are 😂😂.

minou123 · 20/01/2022 20:40

That's brilliant Grin thank you LemonRedwood and Powaqa

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