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Judgey in laws

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Loudina · 02/11/2021 17:56

PIL arrived to stay for a week on Friday. Thus far I've been criticised for the following things:

  • DD (6) goes to bed too late (8pm)
  • we eat too late (6pm)
  • DD should not be allowed to watch TV after 5 as that's TV time for grown ups
  • DD talks too much and should be told to be quiet more
  • our cat shouldn't be allowed in any of the bedrooms (I keep him out of the guest room because I know PIL don't like him) but apparently it is disgusting I let him in DD's room or our room
  • I spend too much time cooking and why don't I just make easy meals
  • we eat too much pasta and rice and why can't we just have some meat and veg
  • our Halloween decorations from Sunday still haven't been taken down
  • we spend too much time on food and why do we shop at sainsbury's when Aldi is so much cheaper
  • we should not drink full fat milk, only skimmed (I bought skimmed milk specially for them)

Driving me crackers. DH is at work when I expressly asked him to take time off. Apparently he didn't ask in time. I'm sure he did it on purpose but apparently I can't complain as I was happy to have them to stay. So tempted to just go out on my own tonight and leave them all to it.

OP posts:
margegunderson · 03/11/2021 00:45

My kids were rarely in bed by 8 at the age of six and it worked well for us and them. I don't think the in-laws should be pandered to on any of this tbh. The OP is being polite to them but not giving way which is a good approach. Fair enough to go with their suggestions if you think they're sensible but putting the kid to bed earlier to be polite is frankly a bonkers suggestion.

Graphista · 03/11/2021 03:07

@Igfdyjxzyjkv well we'll have to agree to disagree then

I think CONSTANT criticism of this type IS worth raising in a discussion - diplomatically but assertively as I said - because that's better than

A op having to continue to put up with this for many years which she doesn't deserve!

Respect has to be earned it isn't automatic purely through age! They may THINK they have the right to make these complaints and criticisms - they don't! Her home, her child, her routine. Yes guests are accommodated where it's reasonably possible - eg my in laws had a slightly earlier evening meal time to us and I did accommodate that as they are both on meds which need to be taken at meal times and the same time each day, it wasn't an inconvenience for me/us to do so, I also tried with both sets of parents to slightly tailor meals to be more of the plain "meat and 2 veg" variety as neither could tolerate rich/spicy food again due to medical conditions.

But like hell would I be stifling a child's development, messing with their established routine or capitulating to hypocritical opinions on pet care for anyone! If you're that picky - then yea! Don't bloody visit then!

Op is due respect as it's her home and she's the host

Or

B op deciding not to allow them to visit at all

Or

C op gets pushed that bit too far on one occasion (cos everyone has their limits!) and breaks down/loses patience

It's not the level of the complaints it's the CONSTANCY

I guarantee the complaints/criticism FAR outweigh the compliments/thanks!

Cos we women are just supposed to accept that crap aren't we?!

Hell no! It's 2021 and being "nice" gets us nowhere! Yes be polite/diplomatic but still speak up!

As for dh - if he hadn't effectively run away from his own parents and was there to deal with them then there wouldn't BE a "position" to put him in would there?

He HAS been a pathetic coward! Damn straight he should speak to them.

I am sure it will do no long term harm for a week, let’s not be precious.

Do you even have dc? Genuine question - and if yes how old are they?

My dd is now 20, I was a nanny before having her and a childminder after. I was planning on being a very relaxed go with the flow mum...dd had other ideas! She was very much a baby/child that NEEDED the sleeping and eating routine she had at various ages to be consistent and certainly as a baby/toddler if she missed a nap or was put down late and overtired there'd be hell to pay that night and the next day for all of us!

Didn't learn until she was almost 12 that this was very likely due to her disability which wasn't diagnosed until then.

Some babies/toddlers are very flexible and can sleep anywhere (admittedly this was true for dd within certain limitations) and the time isn't strictly set etc - others NEED a routine and don't cope if they're made to go out of it to the point it can make them ill or at least more susceptible to infections.

There is absolutely NO good reason for this child to be forced out of a routine that works for her and her parents. I suspect the in laws are simply impatient with young dc and want her out the way of an evening! They sound very much the type!

and it makes sense to try to get along.

Again I think what you are suggesting is not merely "trying to get along" but giving way too much credence to thoughtless and selfish guests

If the child is too much for them at that point in the evening they could go and rest in their room for a bit, read or something. My in laws often used to take such "naps" especially at my sil house (5 dc) as with them being older they did tire from the energy one expends around kids.

She is the wife of their son - why can't they compromise? Why do they need to be so constantly critical?! It's rude and bad mannered

Igfdyjxzyjkv · 03/11/2021 07:11

[quote Graphista]@Igfdyjxzyjkv well we'll have to agree to disagree then

I think CONSTANT criticism of this type IS worth raising in a discussion - diplomatically but assertively as I said - because that's better than

A op having to continue to put up with this for many years which she doesn't deserve!

Respect has to be earned it isn't automatic purely through age! They may THINK they have the right to make these complaints and criticisms - they don't! Her home, her child, her routine. Yes guests are accommodated where it's reasonably possible - eg my in laws had a slightly earlier evening meal time to us and I did accommodate that as they are both on meds which need to be taken at meal times and the same time each day, it wasn't an inconvenience for me/us to do so, I also tried with both sets of parents to slightly tailor meals to be more of the plain "meat and 2 veg" variety as neither could tolerate rich/spicy food again due to medical conditions.

But like hell would I be stifling a child's development, messing with their established routine or capitulating to hypocritical opinions on pet care for anyone! If you're that picky - then yea! Don't bloody visit then!

Op is due respect as it's her home and she's the host

Or

B op deciding not to allow them to visit at all

Or

C op gets pushed that bit too far on one occasion (cos everyone has their limits!) and breaks down/loses patience

It's not the level of the complaints it's the CONSTANCY

I guarantee the complaints/criticism FAR outweigh the compliments/thanks!

Cos we women are just supposed to accept that crap aren't we?!

Hell no! It's 2021 and being "nice" gets us nowhere! Yes be polite/diplomatic but still speak up!

As for dh - if he hadn't effectively run away from his own parents and was there to deal with them then there wouldn't BE a "position" to put him in would there?

He HAS been a pathetic coward! Damn straight he should speak to them.

I am sure it will do no long term harm for a week, let’s not be precious.

Do you even have dc? Genuine question - and if yes how old are they?

My dd is now 20, I was a nanny before having her and a childminder after. I was planning on being a very relaxed go with the flow mum...dd had other ideas! She was very much a baby/child that NEEDED the sleeping and eating routine she had at various ages to be consistent and certainly as a baby/toddler if she missed a nap or was put down late and overtired there'd be hell to pay that night and the next day for all of us!

Didn't learn until she was almost 12 that this was very likely due to her disability which wasn't diagnosed until then.

Some babies/toddlers are very flexible and can sleep anywhere (admittedly this was true for dd within certain limitations) and the time isn't strictly set etc - others NEED a routine and don't cope if they're made to go out of it to the point it can make them ill or at least more susceptible to infections.

There is absolutely NO good reason for this child to be forced out of a routine that works for her and her parents. I suspect the in laws are simply impatient with young dc and want her out the way of an evening! They sound very much the type!

and it makes sense to try to get along.

Again I think what you are suggesting is not merely "trying to get along" but giving way too much credence to thoughtless and selfish guests

If the child is too much for them at that point in the evening they could go and rest in their room for a bit, read or something. My in laws often used to take such "naps" especially at my sil house (5 dc) as with them being older they did tire from the energy one expends around kids.

She is the wife of their son - why can't they compromise? Why do they need to be so constantly critical?! It's rude and bad mannered

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None of this changes my view. And thanks yes I do have DC but don’t think I am under any obligation to disclose their ages to you to engage in this discussion.
If OP wants to have a fight, by all means she should have one. My point is that she will end up in a much worse position. I am extremely assertive but with experience I have learnt that alienating family never results in a good outcome. They are just looking for basic respect and they will absolutely not care whether OP is outraged by their views on her ‘parenting’. As far as they are concerned they rule the roost. They have more power in this situation and if OP throws a tantrum she will end up on the bottom of the pile. This is just politics and she should not see it as personal or let herself get emotional.

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Igfdyjxzyjkv · 03/11/2021 07:22

And your points about routines are completely and utterly ridiculous, sorry. Classic MN approach - win the argument by mentioning an extremely case involving disability so it can’t be argued with without the PP looking like an arsehole. Not every child has an undiagnosed disability, despite what MN would have you believe.

I really should spend my time better. OP you have my views.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 03/11/2021 07:26

@Loudina

8 is not early for her. She sleeps til 7.30 and is perfectly happy. She wouldn't go to sleep if I put her to bed at 7. Her friends all seem to go around that time too.

She talks a fair amount but no more so than any other child of her age.

@Loudina

8pm is definitely not late. that was always the youngest child's bedtime say from age 3 or 4
we eat dinner at 7pm the very earliest.
at weekends and holidays both can shift to much later.
my older ones are up past 2am most nights and on non-school days you don't see them till noon. if that.
and so on...

Your PILs would probably die here from several swelling in the brain from constantly shaking their heads.
want my address?😈🤣

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 03/11/2021 07:26

*severe

not several

Mulhollandmagoo · 03/11/2021 07:43

They are just looking for basic respect and they will absolutely not care whether OP is outraged by their views on her ‘parenting’. As far as they are concerned they rule the roost. They have more power in this situation

This toxic attitude has led to so many problems within families, respect shouldn't be demanded because someone is older than you! Respect should be mutually earned. Her PIL absolutely do not 'rule the roost' I have no idea where you've got that from? Honestly you can't possibly belive all that rubbish you're spouting? Grown adults bowing down to their parents out of respect, where is the PILs respect for OP and her husband?

I think you're just being deliberately inflammatory!

Mulhollandmagoo · 03/11/2021 07:47

Fair enough to go with their suggestions if you think they're sensible but putting the kid to bed earlier to be polite is frankly a bonkers suggestion

👌

Loudina · 03/11/2021 08:20

I've given them more than basic respect. I was brought up to be a good host, as my DM is. I was also brought up to respect the way other people do things in their own houses.

OP posts:
Milliepossum · 03/11/2021 08:25

OP when my MIL used to stay I had a full shot glass of port with my breakfast, it took the edge off her snarky remarks. Maybe there’s something else you like that you can try to make things bearable until you can push them out the door so they can go back to where they came from.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 03/11/2021 08:34

@Milliepossum

OP when my MIL used to stay I had a full shot glass of port with my breakfast, it took the edge off her snarky remarks. Maybe there’s something else you like that you can try to make things bearable until you can push them out the door so they can go back to where they came from.
@Milliepossum

a friend of mine used to take St John's Worts (it's used as mild anti-depressant outside of UK!) whenever her PILs would visit.
she wouldn't cope with their never-ending judging, criticism, moaning....she'd have been very stressed otherwise.
she would also come round every other day to vent.

thank fuck she got divorced years ago. no more twat PILs in her life

RepentBirthingPersonFucker · 03/11/2021 08:42

Igfdyjxzyjkv
You are ridiculous Grin
Giving in to unreasonable demands in your own house will invariably lead to even more unreasonable demands. Are you always such a mug
Op can disagree without falling out

LoislovesStewie · 03/11/2021 08:44

@Igfdyjxzyjkv

Why is MN all about dramatic confrontations (usually badly worded and extremely ill advised based on ‘input’ from other mumsnetters) or NC? What is wrong with just going along with it for a week and being harmonious? They are obviously a bit weird and particular but who cares really. I would just do 80% of what they suggest and for the others (eg time taken in cooking, where you shop etc) just say that’s a really interesting idea I will think about that. Who cares what they think and it certainly isn’t worth a completely embarrassing and rude my way or the highway confrontation. Just accommodate your guests and be polite (even if the might not be). I am with the them on the cat - for any non cat owner cats in bedrooms is absolutely vile, sorry.
Best not come to mine then; dog and cat currently keeping DH warm in bed! And as for the 'going along with it for a week', it won't end there, will it? This is the starting point to the outlaws trying to run every aspect of the OPs life. If she lets them do what they want in her own home I shudder to think how it will end.
ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 03/11/2021 09:02

@Igfdyjxzyjkv

you would go with 80% of what they suggest?
really?
you can't even get along with 80% of what is being said here🤣

can you see the hypocrisy?

Iloveacurry · 03/11/2021 09:08

I hope you’ve gone out today op and left them to it!

Cocogreen · 03/11/2021 09:10

They sound awful OP. Very selfish, set in their ways and determined to criticise. I get the impression if you did everything they suggested they'd just find more to whinge about.
Definitely get out of the house if you can and leave them to it at home.
Have a "migraine" tonight after DD goes to bed and off you go for a nice early night with book or Netflix.
Can you book them tickets for a long film or afternoon out?
Can she cook meat and 3 veg dinner for you all one night and you can have it early for once?
Never invite them for a week again and make sure your husband has booked leave next time they come for no more than 3 days.

tickledtiger · 03/11/2021 09:21

Stop analysing all the stuff you’re doing and and BE RUDE RIGHT BACK. next time they say something respond with an eye roll and “god, you don’t half whinge do you??”

I bet they know exactly how their comments are going down.

theneverendinglaundry · 03/11/2021 09:25

My 5 year old is up at 6am for school and still doesn't fall asleep until 9pm - some kids just need less sleep, not all kids are neuro typical and find it hard to fall asleep

So a blanket statement that 8pm is too late for a 6 year old is ridiculous.

mbosnz · 03/11/2021 09:30

Judgey in-laws come very low on my totem pole of who matters in our household. Actually, at the bottom. Well below the cat, or the kids. If they don't like how things are done, that's okay, they've got their own home they can bugger off back to! Judgey parents, too, for that matter.

I don't care if the way we do things pisses them off, because if so, well, quite frankly, they can please piss off.

But really, they're just enjoying their nit-picking little whinge fest, that's how they get their jollies. . .

Lottapianos · 03/11/2021 09:44

Good god OP, you're a saint to have put up with it so far. They sound extremely thoughtless and overbearing. And no self awareness too -'oh we're easy!' Shock

Your DH is a cheeky sod. I would be having serious words with him about dropping you in it like this. Absolutely not on. Yes, 100% go out for an evening if you can arrange it, and leave them to it. Good luck

IntermittentParps · 03/11/2021 09:50

DH is at work when I expressly asked him to take time off. Apparently he didn't ask in time. I'm sure he did it on purpose
Oh, he totally did. Tell him you know and tell him you're washing your hands of the rude cunts.
So tempted to just go out on my own tonight and leave them all to it.
Stop joking about it and do it. Sod them all.
I don't know where some people get off.

FreezerBird · 03/11/2021 09:52

@Loudina

I've given them more than basic respect. I was brought up to be a good host, as my DM is. I was also brought up to respect the way other people do things in their own houses.
Absolutely OP. Being a good host is one thing, but people seem to forget there's such a thing as being a good guest too.

I'd have lost it completely at 'you know us, we're easy' - why is it that the most difficult guests always think this?

Camphillgirl · 03/11/2021 10:18

There is an old saying “after 3 days fish and guests stink” It’s true. You can swallow things for a couple of days, any longer it rattles you.

Don’t fall out - least said, soonest mended. They probably don’t realise how bossy they are and would be mortified if they knew. They think they are still the parents and older and wiser. Just do your own thing and keep saying oh yes... when they make comments.

Being at war with PIL is a heartbreak all round.

Never let them stay a week again.

Loudina · 03/11/2021 10:34

They think they are still the parents and older and wiser.

I really don't hold with older = wiser.

DD and I are off to a national trust place for the day.

OP posts:
ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 03/11/2021 10:44

@Camphillgirl

I know that saying!
We also have a saying in Hungary - it's clumsy to translate - " However nice the guest, 3 days are enough to get fed up"
🤣

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