An MP has just been stabbed.

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Breaking news on Sky. David Amess MP has been stabbed ‘multiple times’. Feels like Jo Cox all over again, surely MPs need security around them? Some of the comments they receive on social media are off the scale. All parties as well. I can’t imagine a US Senator wandering around without security?

Angela; is he still - as you put it - 'scum'.....or do you cease to be scum, when you are dead ? Just asking.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you want Labour to never be in power again? You and Angela Rayner are certainly going the right way about it, you pair of self-important tone deaf plonkers

Quite. This kind of vile, spiteful rhetoric towards anyone who dares to think differently, whilst sanctimoniously acting as if they are in possession of some kind of exclusive moral authority and looking down their nose at half of the population is exactly what is putting longstanding Labour voters off the party.

That woman has no place in the houses of Parliament. If Labour can't see that they are finished. A lot think they already are. I hadnt heard of the MP Sir David till yesterday. But it is uplifting to see the accolades he is receiving from everyone. That's the kind of person we need.

@GCAcademic

What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you want Labour to never be in power again? You and Angela Rayner are certainly going the right way about it, you pair of self-important tone deaf plonkers

Quite. This kind of vile, spiteful rhetoric towards anyone who dares to think differently, whilst sanctimoniously acting as if they are in possession of some kind of exclusive moral authority and looking down their nose at half of the population is exactly what is putting longstanding Labour voters off the party.

Exactly. It's maddening

@Viviennemary

That woman has no place in the houses of Parliament. If Labour can't see that they are finished. A lot think they already are. I hadnt heard of the MP Sir David till yesterday. But it is uplifting to see the accolades he is receiving from everyone. That's the kind of person we need.

Indeed. With him being a backbencher for 38 years, it was less about his ego and ambition and more about doing a good job (political opinions aside).

@Sudokuzebra

Oh for goodness sake.

It's tragic the man died , no one should be murderered however abhorrent their views. It is horrible for the family.

But no, Angela Rayner is not to blame. I don't think the murderer gave two hoots what Angela Rayner thought and it's riddiculous to pretend he did.
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Angela Rayner is not out of order to the Tories scum. A party who voted to deny under 21's housing benefit , who caused the debt and misery caused by UC and ATOS, who sanctioned those who didn't want to take part in slave labour, ( AKA workfare) are scum and only an uncivilised person would suggest these behaviours were not scummy.

Correctly calling them out on scummy behaviour is not incitement to murder.

Calling workfare (which I massively disagreed with) slave labour is disgusting really.

And no, calling someone scum didn't directly lead to this, obviously, but it's just part of the divisiveness and dehumanisation that seems to have overcome debate, imo Twitter has a lot to do with it, and I really hope people start moving away from the "whoever shouts loudest and most aggressively wins" style of debate we seem to have descended to. It's like people are taking schoolyard bullies as their inspiration.

[quote XingMing]@MajorCarolDanvers, but his views were not ever reprehensible. His particular political interests were animal rights and women's health, specifically endometriosis.[/quote]
I think you quoted the wrong person.

[quote XingMing]@MajorCarolDanvers, but his views were not ever reprehensible. His particular political interests were animal rights and women's health, specifically endometriosis.[/quote]
and also he had a keen interest in the rights of refugees and disabled children.

So you know. Scum apparently.

I used to be a labour voter and a member but chucked that in as I could no longer stomach Corbyn and Momentum. But what really got to me is the fact that some people on the Left think that if people do not agree with them then those people ought to be silenced, cancelled and their opinions have no validity. That's not democracy. Yet the sense of moral rightness on behalf of those thinking in this way - it beggars belief.

If you can only think in black and white terms - particularly when a human being has been murdered- well there's no hope for you tbh.

So sad and distasteful that so much of this thread has become point scoring against Angela Rayner, especially as more is now known about the man who did it.

AR aside a lot of opinion from MPs I’ve heard over last day or so is that online or offline abuse is very high. I hope we can start to turn that around post this happening.

I thought this thread was about the decd MP but the distasteful posts have derailed it

@antoniawhite

So sad and distasteful that so much of this thread has become point scoring against Angela Rayner, especially as more is now known about the man who did it.

Whilst genuine abuse against and/or witch-hunts anyone (including Angela Rayner) is not acceptable, it is important not to deflect from the actual issue in this horrible sad tragic case.

This was a terrorist attack.

Terrorists don't care one jot about centuries old childish name calling. They really don't.

We need to focus on measures aimed at improving safety to protect everybody (MPs AND member of the public alike) from terror attacks.

MPs are telling us they feel unsafe and abuse is part of that

Do people want to keep doing it? I don’t know why they are dismissing their views so much.

Sir David Amess was a man of integrity and principle.

RIP Sir David Amess.

Anyone who feels unsafe due to abuse should be protected - MPs and general public.

Hopefully we'll see better funding all round including, as well as improved security for MPs, for domestic violence charities, gang crime iniatives, and the criminal justice system.

We also must ensure that as much as possible is done - including funding - to protect us all from terrorist attacks.

Hedid hold views which many would find reprehensible. I couldn’t begin to agree with him about capital punishment, gay rights or abortion, but I very much appreciate his work on behalf of animal rights and his help of refugees.

So, in my view, flawed but doing his best according to his lights, just like most of the rest of us. I think I’d probably have liked him if I’d known him.

@Tealightsandd

Anyone who feels unsafe due to abuse should be protected - MPs and general public.

Hopefully we'll see better funding all round including, as well as improved security for MPs, for domestic violence charities, gang crime iniatives, and the criminal justice system.

We also must ensure that as much as possible is done - including funding - to protect us all from terrorist attacks.

MPs aren't the ones saying they want extra security. People are saying that's what they need. Most MPs worth their salt just want to be as accessible to their constituents as possible.

Most MPs would like to see valuable police time used on their constituents rather than them.

In order to do this we need to take the sting out of society's discourse, IMO. Easier said than done.

• constituents' issues, not necessarily their constituents 🤣

I'm still reeling about it all. I' didn't agree with him politically but he, was such a lovely man. Always had a smile and was willing to chat. His poor family.

Also feeling sad for the father of the perpetrator who is, traumatised by what his son has done.

@Sudokuzebra

Oh for goodness sake.

It's tragic the man died , no one should be murderered however abhorrent their views. It is horrible for the family.

But no, Angela Rayner is not to blame. I don't think the murderer gave two hoots what Angela Rayner thought and it's riddiculous to pretend he did.
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Angela Rayner is not out of order to the Tories scum. A party who voted to deny under 21's housing benefit , who caused the debt and misery caused by UC and ATOS, who sanctioned those who didn't want to take part in slave labour, ( AKA workfare) are scum and only an uncivilised person would suggest these behaviours were not scummy.

Correctly calling them out on scummy behaviour is not incitement to murder.

I see this type of preachy speech on Facebook all the time. It’s so tiresome and is one of the reasons why I stopped voting for Labour.

It doesn’t seem preachy to me. I think we could do with far more of these issues and consequences being discussed. I’m a Lib Dem at heart but can’t really see why reading that would make somebody decide not to vote Labour. I’d hope it might stop some people voting Tory.

Why would calling a Conservative voter scum make them want to vote for Labour?

Would you vote for any party that called you scum? Because I certainly wouldn't.