An MP has just been stabbed.

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Breaking news on Sky. David Amess MP has been stabbed ‘multiple times’. Feels like Jo Cox all over again, surely MPs need security around them? Some of the comments they receive on social media are off the scale. All parties as well. I can’t imagine a US Senator wandering around without security?

Can't you not see the connection between hate speech and inciting violence?

There is no suggestion of any such connection in this case. Sadly Islamic extremism is evident around the world today, and occurs without any prompting from Angela Rayner.

@RedToothBrush yes I’m aware of how vulnerable MP families are when the MP is in London.
I’m married to an MP.
We have had people banging on the door in the middle of the night.

I don’t see a link between Angela Raynor and this event (unless there are some very specific twists), no matter how tenuous. What she said however is indicative of somebody who cannot manage their temper & uses pure insults to get a point across. Not the type of person I want running the country.

I’m listening to R4 and it’s very sad

I hope we see change in how we view MPs generally.

I hope we see a change with regards the growing knife crime problem too.

Everyone should be safe - MPs, and the general public.

Like I said yesterday, Sir David spoke about the knife crime problem - he wanted the government to do more. He was moved to do so after an 18 year boy in his constituency was stabbed to death.

Work to tackle knife crime would be a very fitting tribute to a principled man of integrity.

@Tealightsandd

I hope we see a change with regards the growing knife crime problem too.

Everyone should be safe - MPs, and the general public.

Like I said yesterday, Sir David spoke about the knife crime problem - he wanted the government to do more. He was moved to do so after an 18 year boy in his constituency was stabbed to death.

Work to tackle knife crime would be a very fitting tribute to a principled man of integrity.

But how does one tackle ‘knife crime’? We can’t ban knives or limit their accessibility. It’s easier with guns, nobody needs one so you can restrict or even ban them, etc.

With knives all you can do is limit whatever if it is that is driving people to do it, which is difficult because it’s everything and nothing really:

With knives all you can do is limit whatever if it is that is driving people to do it, which is difficult because it’s everything and nothing really

We try. Of course there are things we can do other than protect MPs in a bubble and leave the rest of the public to get on with it.

We don't just shrug, hold our hands up, and say nevermind.

Sir David didn't want that. He believed something could be done. I agree with him.

We deal with the causes. So yes that means investing money - in social services, mental health, housing, criminal justice system, extremist monitoring, job opportunities and training. But it's worth it. A better - safer - society for all.

That’s what I said @Tealightsandd

You can’t stop ‘knives’ per se, but you can limit people using them for violent purposes.

‘Knife crime’ is too sweeping a term to do this effectively.

It’s better to break it down into domestic violence, terrorism etc because they all ‘come’ from different places.

There's no harm in having an umbrella term. Many of the problems and related causes will need a holistic approach. Issues are often (but obviously not always) interlinked.

Eg.

www.forbes.com/sites/nikitamalik/2018/09/11/the-role-of-domestic-violence-in-terrorism/amp/

@JaniieJones do you know what ‘inciting violence’ means?

But how does one tackle ‘knife crime’?

Heavy prison sentences for knife crime, or for those found carrying knives in public. You could caveat that by saying that you could apply for a knife license if you need one in public (so for example, if you need one to do your job).

No license, straight to jail.

I think for things like knife crime we really need to look at the background that leads to attacks. There is going to be a reason why and education before is needed. Prevention rather than cure!

I don’t see why it can’t be a moment for both

MPs get so much abuse. On and offline. Including their families.

I don’t know how you dial that back as some don’t see the issue. It is a big problem though

@Sudokuzebra

Oh for goodness sake.

It's tragic the man died , no one should be murderered however abhorrent their views. It is horrible for the family.

But no, Angela Rayner is not to blame. I don't think the murderer gave two hoots what Angela Rayner thought and it's riddiculous to pretend he did.
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Angela Rayner is not out of order to the Tories scum. A party who voted to deny under 21's housing benefit , who caused the debt and misery caused by UC and ATOS, who sanctioned those who didn't want to take part in slave labour, ( AKA workfare) are scum and only an uncivilised person would suggest these behaviours were not scummy.

Correctly calling them out on scummy behaviour is not incitement to murder.

Your last 2 paragraphs are disgraceful. You are descending to gutter speak by calling the Tories 'scum' and suggesting anyone who disagrees with you (who do you think you are?) is uncivilised.

Absolutely MPs should be safe.

Everyone should be.

This was a terrorist attack. We need to ensure everything that is possible is done to keep MPs and the general public safe from another occurrence.

YABU. This was a terrorist attack.

@Sudokuzebra

Oh for goodness sake.

It's tragic the man died , no one should be murderered however abhorrent their views. It is horrible for the family.

But no, Angela Rayner is not to blame. I don't think the murderer gave two hoots what Angela Rayner thought and it's riddiculous to pretend he did.
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Angela Rayner is not out of order to the Tories scum. A party who voted to deny under 21's housing benefit , who caused the debt and misery caused by UC and ATOS, who sanctioned those who didn't want to take part in slave labour, ( AKA workfare) are scum and only an uncivilised person would suggest these behaviours were not scummy.

Correctly calling them out on scummy behaviour is not incitement to murder.

A man has died.

His family are grieving.

Do you really need to call him scum?

He had different opinion to you.

To those trying to justify this in some way because some politicians/members of his party behave in less ideal way would you have said the same if a policeman had been killed in the wake of recent news?

(Extreme example I know and worded in a way which I hope isn’t classed as inflammatory)

@Sudokuzebra

Oh for goodness sake.

It's tragic the man died , no one should be murderered however abhorrent their views. It is horrible for the family.

But no, Angela Rayner is not to blame. I don't think the murderer gave two hoots what Angela Rayner thought and it's riddiculous to pretend he did.
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Angela Rayner is not out of order to the Tories scum. A party who voted to deny under 21's housing benefit , who caused the debt and misery caused by UC and ATOS, who sanctioned those who didn't want to take part in slave labour, ( AKA workfare) are scum and only an uncivilised person would suggest these behaviours were not scummy.

Correctly calling them out on scummy behaviour is not incitement to murder.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you want Labour to never be in power again? You and Angela Rayner are certainly going the right way about it, you pair of self-important tone deaf plonkers.

only an uncivilised person would suggest these behaviours were not scummy

Wow. Seriously go fuck yourself.

His views were not ever abhorrent, although he was a right wing Tory who supported Brexit. He was a constituency MP with a particular interest in women's health and animal rights. I understand that those are issues the left wing think they dominate, but the concern is far deeper and wider than many would acknowledge... hence the testy nature of this thread.

I don't want Angela Rayner ever near power after her ill-judged outburst, but there are lots of Labour MPs and mayors who have a great deal of common sense to bring to the discussion.

@MajorCarolDanvers, but his views were not ever reprehensible. His particular political interests were animal rights and women's health, specifically endometriosis.