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Policeman kicks 15 year old girl in the stomach

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GreekTragedy · 01/10/2021 09:58

I couldn't see a thread about this so thought I'd start one.

I am completely shocked at this video.

This "officer" came out of nowhere and did a flying kick to a young girl!!

Now I can understand police getting a it violent in the heat of the moment but this? This is outright disgusting.

That officer should be charged.

What the fuck has happened to our police force??

www.aol.co.uk/news/cop-fly-kicks-15-old-123400054.html

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WormYourHonour · 02/10/2021 17:06

@ILoveJamaica

Perhaps imagine that the female officer is your daughter? She is being grappled by the girl, and we can't see if there is a weapon. You would want that person off your daughter as soon as humanly possible. You wouldn't care whether they were 15 or 18 - just get them off ASAP.
Goal posts.moving a lot aren't they.

Why don't you assume the school girl is your kid and a huge bloke just booted her from behind...

ILoveJamaica · 02/10/2021 17:07

It's up to the Independent Office of Police Conduct (IOPC) and an investigation is ongoing.

"The IOPC confirmed that it received a referral from Norfolk Police on Tuesday morning."

They'll assess the evidence, against a background of the police officer's training and public duty.

Doesn't matter a fuck what anyone says on here.

Very true. It's an interesting chat though.

GiddyNorthernBird · 02/10/2021 17:07

This is a stupid, stupid thing to do though! If these girls had done as was asked and gone home, none of this would have happened.

I can’t believe you just wrote that…oh hang on! That’s victim blaming plain and simple.

Fangdango · 02/10/2021 17:07

@pumperthepumper

People are being demonised for suggesting the police are reasonable. They’re not. It’s time for a change - and attitudes like yours stop that change.

Some are, some aren't, Met culture seems scandalous. If you're saying that police are behaving unreasonably whatever evidence we see of individual interactions, there's obviously no point in having any discussion at all. If you're saying the police are behaving unreasonably in this video, it's not wrong of others to suggest different possibilities.

The officers in that video have the right to be judged on that interaction alone. Not condemned because of WC's crimes, the Met's corruption, or any other horrors in the police force.

Pumperthepumper · 02/10/2021 17:11

[quote Fangdango]@pumperthepumper

People are being demonised for suggesting the police are reasonable. They’re not. It’s time for a change - and attitudes like yours stop that change.

Some are, some aren't, Met culture seems scandalous. If you're saying that police are behaving unreasonably whatever evidence we see of individual interactions, there's obviously no point in having any discussion at all. If you're saying the police are behaving unreasonably in this video, it's not wrong of others to suggest different possibilities.

The officers in that video have the right to be judged on that interaction alone. Not condemned because of WC's crimes, the Met's corruption, or any other horrors in the police force.[/quote]
No - it’s just shrugging your shoulders at the Met, the entire police force is riddled with corruption and misogyny. Time for a change.

nannannanana · 02/10/2021 17:12

Be interesting to hear more from female officers on the police culture. Any female officers willing to do an AMA?

Fangdango · 02/10/2021 17:13

@WormYourHonour

Could you risk assess that from the kerb and decide the policewoman wasn't at risk? When the girl has run over to attack her?

The female officer did, she assessed the risk and aided her colleague...

The male offocer had more time than the female officer.. but he came to a different conclusion and decided to kick a child instead of any other course of action.

If there was any evidence or suggestion the teen might have knife, why would the female officer ignore it?

Girl who was kicked wasn't attacking anyone when policewoman arrived. She was standing back. Policewoman ran to help her colleague on the ground.

Girl who was kicked then ran over to attack the Policewoman. Policeman 2 ran on scene and kicked her off.

They were dealing with different situations - both went straight to protect their colleagues. If the girl who was kicked had been going for policeman 1 when she arrived, presume policewoman would have confronted her - but they're sizing up multiple risks .

ILoveJamaica · 02/10/2021 17:17

Any female officers willing to do an AMA? Sure

WormYourHonour · 02/10/2021 17:18

Girl who was kicked wasn't attacking anyone when policewoman arrived. She was standing back.

Yep, and the perfect opportunity for the female to see if the girl had a knife or weapon.

Policewoman ran to help her colleague on the ground.
Because she'd assessed the other girl was low threat.

Girl who was kicked then ran over to attack the Policewoman.
She grabbed the officers arm and pulled it.

Policeman 2 ran on scene and kicked her off.

After all of the above unfolded in front of him over the span of 11 seconds.

So he either took split second decision and decided to kick instead of follow training.
Or he saw the above unfold and decided to kick instead of follow training.

Glad that cleared up.

Pumperthepumper · 02/10/2021 17:19

@ILoveJamaica

Any female officers willing to do an AMA? Sure
Great! Will you start it on chat or AIBU? I just don’t want to miss it.
Fangdango · 02/10/2021 17:20

@pumperthepumper

No - it’s just shrugging your shoulders at the Met, the entire police force is riddled with corruption and misogyny. Time for a change.

I agree with you that change is needed. I'm not certain we see corruption and misogyny in this video. Is that okay? Surely it's possible for us both to see this incident differently without disagreeing on the wider question.

"Some are, some aren't" probably came across inappropriately casually there. All I mean is that I don't think it's fair to condemn this young man (and so publicly) when it seems he may have had good cause to fear for the police woman's safety and rush to use force.

ILoveJamaica · 02/10/2021 17:21

I'm not starting a thread. I'm no longer an Officer, so I feel it would be a bit disingenuous. I left of my own accord to start a new business, and now earn substantially more than a Police Officer - with no risk!

Pumperthepumper · 02/10/2021 17:22

@ILoveJamaica

I'm not starting a thread. I'm no longer an Officer, so I feel it would be a bit disingenuous. I left of my own accord to start a new business, and now earn substantially more than a Police Officer - with no risk!
Why did you say ‘sure’ to that question if you’re not going to do it then?
ILoveJamaica · 02/10/2021 17:24

Happy to answer the odd question here, but don't want to start a whole new thread and have to commit to that!

Pumperthepumper · 02/10/2021 17:24

[quote Fangdango]@pumperthepumper

No - it’s just shrugging your shoulders at the Met, the entire police force is riddled with corruption and misogyny. Time for a change.

I agree with you that change is needed. I'm not certain we see corruption and misogyny in this video. Is that okay? Surely it's possible for us both to see this incident differently without disagreeing on the wider question.

"Some are, some aren't" probably came across inappropriately casually there. All I mean is that I don't think it's fair to condemn this young man (and so publicly) when it seems he may have had good cause to fear for the police woman's safety and rush to use force.[/quote]
Well, we’re going to have to disagree about that ‘young man’ police officer, with a huge amount of power and very obvious poor reactive decision making - he definitely should be condemned. He’s not the sort of police force we deserve.

I’ll save my sympathy for the actual young person who could have had serious injuries from being kicked by someone who could have done many, many other things instead.

Fangdango · 02/10/2021 17:29

@WormYourHonour

Girl who was kicked wasn't attacking anyone when policewoman arrived. She was standing back.

Yep, and the perfect opportunity for the female to see if the girl had a knife or weapon.

Policewoman ran to help her colleague on the ground.
Because she'd assessed the other girl was low threat.

Girl who was kicked then ran over to attack the Policewoman.
She grabbed the officers arm and pulled it.

Policeman 2 ran on scene and kicked her off.

After all of the above unfolded in front of him over the span of 11 seconds.

So he either took split second decision and decided to kick instead of follow training.
Or he saw the above unfold and decided to kick instead of follow training.

Glad that cleared up.

Speculative - and we don't have camera on anyone involved throughout the full ten seconds.

Let me speculate too. Pull up : "George is on the ground. I'll help George with the girl, you head off the other one."

As to policewoman having a whole 11 seconds to divine whether girl has a weapon (while helping colleague with other girl) - how? Glass in hand / in pocket? She's standing back at that point, remember.

Policeman likewise has less than 11 seconds - which is hardly time for a leisurely stroll and patdown for weapon and invite the young lady to go home.

We've yet to establish that kicking in defence of colleague isn't following training - as I said upthread, what evidence I've found suggests it's permitted in limited circumstances.

Fangdango · 02/10/2021 17:32

*Well, we’re going to have to disagree about that ‘young man’ police officer, with a huge amount of power and very obvious poor reactive decision making - he definitely should be condemned. He’s not the sort of police force we deserve.

I’ll save my sympathy for the actual young person who could have had serious injuries from being kicked by someone who could have done many, many other things instead*

I'm sorry for the girls, and - if he acted sincerely in defence of the policewoman - the man who kicked one of them away from her. Trial by social media's not pleasant.

WormYourHonour · 02/10/2021 17:32

Speculative

Bit like all the nonsense about knives and weapons...

Pumperthepumper · 02/10/2021 17:35

@ILoveJamaica

Happy to answer the odd question here, but don't want to start a whole new thread and have to commit to that!
Ok, I’ve got one: what’s the worst thing you ever saw one of your colleagues do?
ILoveJamaica · 02/10/2021 17:36

As well as these 2 girls, they have to cope with the idiot who is filming and who could (for all they know), pile in at any second as well. Incredibly scary for all involved. My DH has a bodycam now, which I'm pleased about.

Fangdango · 02/10/2021 17:36

Do all police forces offer the same self-defence / combat training, @ILoveJamaica? Because from what I can see online, different MMA providers seem to offer custom courses for police in groups, and individual officers are quoted talking about taking various courses to improve their own skills.

Are we barking up the wrong tree with the idea that there is one standard for police training?

SpindleWhirl · 02/10/2021 17:38

@ILoveJamaica

As well as these 2 girls, they have to cope with the idiot who is filming and who could (for all they know), pile in at any second as well. Incredibly scary for all involved. My DH has a bodycam now, which I'm pleased about.
Probably best, eh?
ILoveJamaica · 02/10/2021 17:39

Ok, I’ve got one: what’s the worst thing you ever saw one of your colleagues do?

One Officer I didn't really like, as he was too brusque with complainers. We attended a man's house, I can't recall what he was wanting to report now, but I was new, and the Officer was senior, so I had no say, and he literally didn't listen to what the man was saying, was quite rude to him and we left having been of no help to the man at all, and not even really knowing what the man wanted to report. It was really odd. And he was meant to be mentoring me!

Pumperthepumper · 02/10/2021 17:40

@ILoveJamaica

Ok, I’ve got one: what’s the worst thing you ever saw one of your colleagues do?

One Officer I didn't really like, as he was too brusque with complainers. We attended a man's house, I can't recall what he was wanting to report now, but I was new, and the Officer was senior, so I had no say, and he literally didn't listen to what the man was saying, was quite rude to him and we left having been of no help to the man at all, and not even really knowing what the man wanted to report. It was really odd. And he was meant to be mentoring me!

Didn’t you say upthread you’d reported colleagues? What did you report them for, if this is the worst you can think of?
Fangdango · 02/10/2021 17:40

@WormYourHonour

Speculative

Bit like all the nonsense about knives and weapons...

Well yes - it's the police officer's job to speculate as to whether she has a weapon, and not to assume she doesn't. He needs to prevent worst case scenario. That sort of speculation is common sense. Assuming policewoman assessed girl 2 as low risk - in the 5 not 11 seconds she took to run to her colleague - seems implausible to me. Less immediate risk at that stage, sure.