Policeman kicks 15 year old girl in the stomach

[GreekTragedy]

I couldn't see a thread about this so thought I'd start one.

I am completely shocked at this video.

This "officer" came out of nowhere and did a flying kick to a young girl!!

Now I can understand police getting a it violent in the heat of the moment but this? This is outright disgusting.

That officer should be charged.

What the fuck has happened to our police force??

www.aol.co.uk/news/cop-fly-kicks-15-old-123400054.html

@ILoveJamaica

And she's not even kicked in the stomach. It's just above her buttock. Thread title is very misleading. At one point the girl on the ground has possession of the Officers cuffs. This is no joke. Like I said before, Officers do not want to arrest people. These girls will have been asked to go home several times. Not only didn't they do that, at some point they've kicked off. Stop making excuses for appalling behaviour, just because they are 15.

The one who kicked the child definitely did not tell her to go home first. So I’m not sure why you keep saying that - we know he gets out the van, runs and kicks her.

Should you not be spending this time outraged these men are in the police force?

The man who kicks her doesn't ask her to go home because it's got well past that point. He and the policewoman have been called in after the two girls grappled with their colleague - radio, sirens, and he flags then down. The other policeman was on the scene on his own with them until that point. The eyewitness filming it says it was all calmer at the beginning - wouldn't necessarily trust him on anything , but that's when any asking to go home would happen. Not when you're running to help a colleague under attack.

clearly looks over 18 (or she would not have been served in the pub)

Oh come on

Seriously 😀

ILoveJamaica are you seriously not appalled by a grown man kicking a child? Why? It’s absolutely clear he did not try to diffuse the situation, in the many ways that he’s been trained to do so. He just wades in with violence as his first instinct. Utter madness and downright scary.

@Fangdango

The man who kicks her doesn't ask her to go home because it's got well past that point. He and the policewoman have been called in after the two girls grappled with their colleague - radio, sirens, and he flags then down. The other policeman was on the scene on his own with them until that point. The eyewitness filming it says it was all calmer at the beginning - wouldn't necessarily trust him on anything , but that's when any asking to go home would happen. Not when you're running to help a colleague under attack.

So you agree @ILoveJamaica is lying about her being given the chance to go home by that officer before he kicked her?

@Pumperthepumper "So you agree @ILoveJamaica is lying about her being given the chance to go home by that officer before he kicked her?"

I don't see where @ILoveJamaica said this policeman will have asked her to go home? She said someone - presumably the first policeman on the scene - will have said so? I wouldn't call anyone a liar on how they interpret this video anyway. I'm with those who think there was a plausible threat from this girl at the moment the second policeman arrived, and he may have judged reasonably in defusing it this way.

That doesn't make me or others on the thread a woman-hating cop-lover. I don't admire police culture from what I know of it. But not every action police take has to fit the narrative of police brutality and misogyny.

The one who kicked the child definitely did not tell her to go home first. So I’m not sure why you keep saying that - we know he gets out the van, runs and kicks her

The first Officer will have told them to go home. By the time the van arrives, all they will know is that there is an Officer down. You know at that point that a colleagues life is at risk.

@GiddyNorthernBird

ILoveJamaica are you seriously not appalled by a grown man kicking a child? Why? It’s absolutely clear he did not try to diffuse the situation, in the many ways that he’s been trained to do so. He just wades in with violence as his first instinct. Utter madness and downright scary.

He does calm things down. Within seconds of his arrival, both girls are handcuffed. Nobody's badly hurt - I don't think it's been claimed or reported that there were injuries?

If she'd injured her friend or the policewoman - they'd have had her still kicking off, camera-man still goading, possible medical emergency - escalation. Police are allowed to meet force with force, and to use it to neutralise an attack. The question is whether it was proportionate. Given the possible threat to his female colleague at that moment, I'd say yes but let's see what the investigation concludes.

@ILoveJamaica

The one who kicked the child definitely did not tell her to go home first. So I’m not sure why you keep saying that - we know he gets out the van, runs and kicks her

The first Officer will have told them to go home. By the time the van arrives, all they will know is that there is an Officer down. You know at that point that a colleagues life is at risk.

Did the policeman who kicked her give her opportunity to go home first?

[quote Fangdango]**@Pumperthepumper* "So you agree @ILoveJamaica* is lying about her being given the chance to go home by that officer before he kicked her?"

I don't see where @ILoveJamaica said this policeman will have asked her to go home? She said someone - presumably the first policeman on the scene - will have said so? I wouldn't call anyone a liar on how they interpret this video anyway. I'm with those who think there was a plausible threat from this girl at the moment the second policeman arrived, and he may have judged reasonably in defusing it this way.

That doesn't make me or others on the thread a woman-hating cop-lover. I don't admire police culture from what I know of it. But not every action police take has to fit the narrative of police brutality and misogyny.[/quote]
Is kicking in police training?

@ILoveJamaica

Just watched it again on the twitter link. The girl who got kicked had hold of the female Officers arm. It's impossible to see whether she has a weapon in her right hand. 15 or not, she's fully grown and could easily pass for an adult. It's pointless trying to make out like this girl is some 6 year old innocent bystander. She's fully grown, clearly looks over 18 (or she would not have been served in the pub), and she's grappling with an Officer. She got kicked off. And rightly so.

That's good then.

The investigation of the officer should be swift and over very soon.

The outcome of which should be absolutely zero against the officer, obviously.

Why he put himself forward for review in the first place is baffling, seeing as there's obviously a piece in the manual about "Booting a 15 year old"

@Pumperthepumper

Did the policeman who kicked her give her opportunity to go home first?

No - when was there time for him to do that before getting her away from his colleagues?

And why should he have? First guy on the scene presumably could have. By this stage she's been attacking police and grabbing their equipment. Arrest is hardly unreasonable. She doesn't look safe to be left at the scene anyway.

But main thing - no, action doesn't restart every time a new policeman arrives on the scene. They deal with what's in front of them - in this case violent attack on colleagues.

[quote Fangdango]@Pumperthepumper

Did the policeman who kicked her give her opportunity to go home first?

No - when was there time for him to do that before getting her away from his colleagues?

And why should he have? First guy on the scene presumably could have. By this stage she's been attacking police and grabbing their equipment. Arrest is hardly unreasonable. She doesn't look safe to be left at the scene anyway.

But main thing - no, action doesn't restart every time a new policeman arrives on the scene. They deal with what's in front of them - in this case violent attack on colleagues.[/quote]
Is kicking in Police training?

Did the policeman who kicked her give her opportunity to go home first?

It is well past that point! Don't you get that?

Why he put himself forward for review in the first place is baffling, seeing as there's obviously a piece in the manual about "Booting a 15 year old"

Of course you'd put this forward for review, with the video in the press and people describing it as kicking in the stomach. Investigation should give him a chance to explain his decision.

I don't know if kicking can feature in police training here. Does in the US and Netherlands. UK police get MMA training so who knows? Latest I can find on it is that in 2015, was seen by police as acceptable in limited circumstances. Usually in self-defence / neutralising attack there'd be instructions to use the tools you have as appropriately as possible, surely? I mean police get training in using batons, tasers etc - does that mean they'd have been preferable choices here?

@ILoveJamaica

Did the policeman who kicked her give her opportunity to go home first?

It is well past that point! Don't you get that?

I’m going by what you said - they give them the opportunity to go home before taking action. He didn’t do that.

Is kicking in police training?

@Fangdango

Why he put himself forward for review in the first place is baffling, seeing as there's obviously a piece in the manual about "Booting a 15 year old"

Of course you'd put this forward for review, with the video in the press and people describing it as kicking in the stomach. Investigation should give him a chance to explain his decision.

I don't know if kicking can feature in police training here. Does in the US and Netherlands. UK police get MMA training so who knows? Latest I can find on it is that in 2015, was seen by police as acceptable in limited circumstances. Usually in self-defence / neutralising attack there'd be instructions to use the tools you have as appropriately as possible, surely? I mean police get training in using batons, tasers etc - does that mean they'd have been preferable choices here?

It not in police training. They’re not allowed to kick before saying a word. Do you think he’d have done anything differently if he’d known he was being filmed? Or do you think he’s such a shining example of our police force that he’d still have kicked that child?

Is kicking in Police training?

Yes.

All this froth about kicking - try to imagine a situation more dangerous than this. Let's say, a criminal is racing towards your colleague with a machete. You can kick his legs out from under him, or watch him butcher your colleague. What do you think you would do? Of course kicking has it's place. You could be fighting for your life, and you often are.

@ILoveJamaica

Except it wasn’t a situation like that at all was it!

@ILoveJamaica

Is kicking in Police training?

Yes.

You’re taught how to kick people?

@ILoveJamaica

All this froth about kicking - try to imagine a situation more dangerous than this. Let's say, a criminal is racing towards your colleague with a machete. You can kick his legs out from under him, or watch him butcher your colleague. What do you think you would do? Of course kicking has it's place. You could be fighting for your life, and you often are.

Let’s imagine a situation where the public are regularly abused by the very people paid to protect them. Now imagine a situation where their colleagues, rather than whining about how fifteen year old drunk girls are a massive threat, we have a police force so fucking appalled at the bad apples walking amongst them that they demand change.

More women will die because of attitudes like yours @ILoveJamaica - that’s an absolute fact.

@Pumperthepumper*

It not in police training. They’re not allowed to kick before saying a word. Do you think he’d have done anything differently if he’d known he was being filmed? Or do you think he’s such a shining example of our police force that he’d still have kicked that child?*

Yes, I think it most likely is in UK police training - it's an element of various martial arts they work with. It would be odd if they skipped over the kicking elements.

Any emergency situation, you get yourself and colleagues safe, first.

You're mixing up the reports that the first policeman spent time trying to de-escalate the situation with some universal right to be offered a chance to "go home" by the police. Of course that doesn't exist in every context. Arrest is the right course of action in some cases.

And of course you force an attacker off your colleague before starting a conversation.

@fandango does he not shout "get back" twice? I can't remember and can't be bothered to watch the video again.

I wouldn’t call that calming things down. It was an act of violence plain and simple. The girl wasn’t a major threat. He could have retrained her without resorting to violence. Okay, maybe ‘repeatedly asking the girls’ to go home didn’t work, why didn’t he use other methods to restrain her? Why come in with a flying a kick? He could have seriously injured her and just because he hasn’t, although I’m not sure on this as don’t think it’s been reported either way, that doesn’t mean what he did was okay or justified. It wasn’t and he knows this. He had no choice but to self refer his conduct for review as thankfully his thuggish behaviour was caught on camera.