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Sarah Everard thread 2

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HangingOver · 30/09/2021 12:28

Keep venting.

Original thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4362028-Anyone-follow-the-coverage-of-the-Sarah-Everard-case-today-and-want-to-vent?pg=1

OP posts:
Noeuf · 30/09/2021 14:56

Listening to CD speaking now. The met have been ‘rocked’ but the judge recognised and commended their work. So that’s okay then.

Noeuf · 30/09/2021 14:57

CD staying. She just doesn’t sound very passionate or angry.

CaveMum · 30/09/2021 15:01

@diddl my understanding is that a police officer is never truly "off duty" so needs their warrant card in case they come across/are called upon to help in an incident.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 30/09/2021 15:03

@Noeuf

CD staying. She just doesn’t sound very passionate or angry.
As a poster upthread said, women who get to positions of power in patriarchal, misogynistic institutions only do so when they perpetuate the status quo (or glacial shift away from the status quo). Once they've got to that position of power they have too much to lose to push for real change.

We should organise a strike day on MN for MN women, and our friends. Gotta start somewhere.

chitchatchatter · 30/09/2021 15:03

“I am so very sorry”.

Ah well, that’s OK then.

Noeuf · 30/09/2021 15:05

theemperorhadnoclothes makes a lot of depressing sense

theemperorhasnoclothes · 30/09/2021 15:06

Mind you, I'm not sure I'm really that keen for CD to be the scapegoat in the police for this (Harriet Harman has called for her resignation) while men who get their dicks out or make jokes on whatsapp about murdered women keep theirs.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 30/09/2021 15:07

*Keep their jobs. Too tired and incoherent with rage.

Gimlisaxe · 30/09/2021 15:07

One of the things she could have done, is bloody move on Piers Corbyn.

I am going to go sit in a corner being angry again

UrbanRambler · 30/09/2021 15:09

The life sentence, with no chance of parole, is the right sentence (although I think for cases like this it's a shame they can't apply the death penalty, rather than waste public resiurces keeping this monster alive).

Apparently the murderer was shaking as the sentence was read out... probably fearful as he knows full well the sort of treatment he will suffer in prison, as many convicts hate bent coppers and will mete out their own type of punishment to him. I know it sounds vindictive but I hope they make him suffer.

If it's true that the murderer previously showed signs that he was prone to violence/misogyny, the police need to overhaul their recruitment and monitoring processes. Cressida Dick has expressed sympathy and ended her statement with the words "I am so sorry". Some are calling for her resignation - what do others think?

RainbowZebraWarrior · 30/09/2021 15:11

@ElFire

I think when there is a clear sadistic sexual element to a murder such as this, the offender’s penis should be viewed as a weapon of war. He should not be left to relive his crimes for sexual pleasure and should be chemically castrated. I would never vouch for capital punishment, but positing the penis as a weapon which should be removed in the same way a firearm should be removed would be a a game changer in framing rape and sexually motivated murder as totally unacceptable.
Totally agree, and I actually made this point in a debate with my RE teacher in school circa 1987. Her reply was "not in a civilised society, Rainbow" Gosh, did I have a field day pointing out to her that there was nothing fucking civilised about men raping and killing women.
LadyMonicaBaddingham · 30/09/2021 15:12

@MrsRobbieHart

With regards to the Met saying they don’t see him as a policeman. What they’re essentially saying is “we refuse to acknowledge that we provide a workplace environment in which it is easy for a murdering rapist to not only exist, but be welcomed, made part of workplace banter and use his position to plan and carry out his crimes all whilst unchallenged by any of us. But most importantly, because of this, we are refusing to acknowledge there are others just like him and we won’t act to identify and disarm them.”
The pinpoint accuracy of this makes me want to weep...
Gwrach · 30/09/2021 15:14

@UrbanRambler

The life sentence, with no chance of parole, is the right sentence (although I think for cases like this it's a shame they can't apply the death penalty, rather than waste public resiurces keeping this monster alive).

Apparently the murderer was shaking as the sentence was read out... probably fearful as he knows full well the sort of treatment he will suffer in prison, as many convicts hate bent coppers and will mete out their own type of punishment to him. I know it sounds vindictive but I hope they make him suffer.

If it's true that the murderer previously showed signs that he was prone to violence/misogyny, the police need to overhaul their recruitment and monitoring processes. Cressida Dick has expressed sympathy and ended her statement with the words "I am so sorry". Some are calling for her resignation - what do others think?

I don't think she should resign.

She should be forced very publicly to sort her own house out!

That's right, I want heads on spikes for this, I don't care about your reputation any more. You've got there by platitudes and towing the line. No more.

Stand on your box and sort it out and let me see you clean this mess up.

I want every officer who nicknamed him "the rapist" named

I want every officer that took pictures named.

I want to see disciplinarian action flying in left right and center and I want your fucking signature at the bottom.

pelosi · 30/09/2021 15:15

[quote CaveMum]@diddl my understanding is that a police officer is never truly "off duty" so needs their warrant card in case they come across/are called upon to help in an incident.[/quote]
Same, I read that they also travel to different sites, so easier to take it home.

LoislovesStewie · 30/09/2021 15:17

Many years ago I had quite a ferocious argument about the phenomenon of 'Page 3'. I was called a prude; no-one could see that it did several things.
1 it dehumanizes females and turns them into body parts. I remember there were routine discussions on who had the best tits.
2 it made young females think that they would get on, be rich, famous, marry a footballer and never have to work again.
3 it made boys/men think that they could ask females to 'show me your tits' because they saw precisely that in their morning paper. It was OK because famous women did it.
We no longer have Page 3,we now have the internet with all that goes along with that, but we still see young females who do anything because it makes money etc, and we have males young and old thinking that is what women are for.
I genuinely think that we are sending out the wrong signals to very young people about how to treat women with respect and sadly the end results are here today.

SweetestThing · 30/09/2021 15:18

The fact that #saraheverard is trending at #2 on Twitter, with Southgate and the England football team at #1 tells you all you need to know about priorities in this country.

thesearesexpeople · 30/09/2021 15:19

I am drafting an emailing to DC's school today, highlighting the case and asking what they are doing to teach all students about the importance of women's rights and everything involved. DH is helping me write it.
It feels like a very trivial thing to do but I am so angry, upset and frightened for my DC I felt like I had to do something. I feel like I owe it to Sarah but at the same time nothing I do feels like it would be enough.
Am also going to look into protests near me that I can attend.
But as others have said, it's not enough. And the change needs to be coming from men if anything is going to change.

Caffeinefirst · 30/09/2021 15:20

I know it won’t achieve much but I’m going to ask to see my M.P. I want to understand what is going on in police forces that a man who has been reported twice for indecent exposure has been allowed to continue in his job and not even been subject to any sort of suspension and investigation. On the day he was reported for the indecent exposure at the drive through McDonalds why was he not suspended there and then? On the same day they knew about it? And there was the previous incident in 2015.

VinylQueen · 30/09/2021 15:21

Why was he nicknamed "the rapist" though? Do we know? We're there actual accusations made? It's horrific.

Noeuf · 30/09/2021 15:21

I think she should go out of a sense of shame tbh. She’s had four years to change the culture - that takes a long time but there’s no evidence of trying. She’s in charge of an organisation she inherited with issues (institutional racism) but has now allowed for a culture to continue where someone can commit sexual offences (or be accused of -) and still have access to the basics of their trade. And banter calling him The Rapist should have been stamped out. Plus the shameful photos and WhatsApp of crime scenes - it’s all on her watch.

diddl · 30/09/2021 15:23

CaveMum

<strong>*@diddl</strong>* my understanding is that a police officer is never truly "off duty" so needs their warrant card in case they come across/are called upon to help in an incident.

Same, I read that they also travel to different sites, so easier to take it home.

Ah yes that makes sense, thanks.

I wonder how many people know what they are entitled to do in such a situation?

I wouldn't have a clue & even if I did would think about it at the time?

5BlackDoors · 30/09/2021 15:23

Bloody hell there is an interview on BBC right now with a male commentator who is saying everything we women are aways saying. This is the repsonsibility of men to sort themselves and their mysogynstics mates out, not the responsibility of women to change their own behaviours. That mysogyny is deep rooted and rife and it has to change.

Just said, former chief prosecutor of england. I missed his name sadly. It was a proper conversation, no platitudes. Like being on a MN thread.

diddl · 30/09/2021 15:26

@VinylQueen

Why was he nicknamed "the rapist" though? Do we know? We're there actual accusations made? It's horrific.
I think it was because he was known to make female colleagues feel uncomfortable.

Read somewhere that he was also known to like violent porn!

5BlackDoors · 30/09/2021 15:27

Oh I totally missed his name and the bulk of the conversation (IN a cafe right now). he was talking about how many women are murdered by men each week, usually former partners or current partners.

I wish I had got the details.

beguilingeyes · 30/09/2021 15:29

I've just been watching that man on the news. I wanted to stand up and applaud.

I didn't catch his name either