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Sarah Everard thread 2

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HangingOver · 30/09/2021 12:28

Keep venting.

Original thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4362028-Anyone-follow-the-coverage-of-the-Sarah-Everard-case-today-and-want-to-vent?pg=1

OP posts:
LoislovesStewie · 30/09/2021 16:15

@MrsRobbieHart

What is the relevance of WC calling his vet?
The fact that he carried on with his normal life after killing Sarah. He didn't experience any anguish or remorse, it was like he had done nothing.
Saucery · 30/09/2021 16:16

If you hear a man in the public eye speaking out against VAWG it is usually Nazir Afzal. Not a politician, not a senior police officer, just him every time. It’s disgusting that he is about the only male voice you consistently hear on the subject.

5BlackDoors · 30/09/2021 16:22

@MrsRobbieHart

What is the relevance of WC calling his vet?
because it was the day after the murder and had been recorded. Which to my mind means his phone was being monitored/tapped. That quickly after the murder makes no sense, it only makes sense if his phone was already being monitored.
5BlackDoors · 30/09/2021 16:23

Or, if a court warrant for tapping the phone had been scrambled that bloody fast it means they knew from the very start who their suspect was. Which amounts to nearly the same thing. He was already on the radar.

oatmilk4breakfast · 30/09/2021 16:24

Is it weird to feel so affected by this and the Killamarsh murders and Sabina Nessa? Feel weak and sick and so depressed. Cried earlier and just can’t explain to husband why I feel so low.

Zilla1 · 30/09/2021 16:25

I wonder in whose interest was a guilty plea? That murderer couldn't have received a harsher sentence though there will presumably be lots that now remains unexamined.

Caffeinefirst · 30/09/2021 16:26

Just read Harriet Harman’s letter to Cressida Dick. Agree with every word of it.

MrsRobbieHart · 30/09/2021 16:26

because it was the day after the murder and had been recorded. Which to my mind means his phone was being monitored/tapped. That quickly after the murder makes no sense, it only makes sense if his phone was already being monitored.

Ahhh! Yes. That is very fast. So they knew almost immediately it was him. Yet they waited almost a week to arrest him.

FourTeaFallOut · 30/09/2021 16:27

@oatmilk4breakfast

Is it weird to feel so affected by this and the Killamarsh murders and Sabina Nessa? Feel weak and sick and so depressed. Cried earlier and just can’t explain to husband why I feel so low.
Yeah. I know.

I asked dh after the news if he has ever put his keys in his hands because he felt intimidated walking in the dark. No - he says, not once. Not once in 44 years. I tell him I've done it ever since I was old enough to walk in the dark. It must be a different world never feeling scared.

diddl · 30/09/2021 16:29

@MrsRobbieHart

because it was the day after the murder and had been recorded. Which to my mind means his phone was being monitored/tapped. That quickly after the murder makes no sense, it only makes sense if his phone was already being monitored.

Ahhh! Yes. That is very fast. So they knew almost immediately it was him. Yet they waited almost a week to arrest him.

That's interesting-I had assumed that the vet had recorded the call.
EvilPea · 30/09/2021 16:30

I was talking to someone earlier who is fairly high up in the met.
The general feeling there is of disgust. The man is hated by anyone they talk to and is considered the lowest of the low for dragging all police down with him.

Brindisi32 · 30/09/2021 16:32

Yes agree with pp’s about men exposing themselves and to make sure this is treated seriously.

Police need to be clear about arrest procedures by officers on lone females. When are handcuffs likely to be used? How can the woman best verify the person is legitimate and/or safe?

IfImLyingImDying · 30/09/2021 16:33

Shame they didn’t think that of his behaviour on the lead up to killing Sarah @EvilPea. They were quite happy to join in then.

peaceanddove · 30/09/2021 16:33

@artquejtion

He reset his phone to factory settings less than an hour before police arrived at his door, was he tipped off they were coming to arrest him?
Yes, I wondered this too? Seems highly suspicious that he knew to wipe his phone just shortly before he was arrested.
Feelingoktoday · 30/09/2021 16:33

[quote theemperorhasnoclothes]@LoislovesStewie

Agree - indecent exposure is a crime, let's start seeing some prosecutions for that. Maybe then we can stop the next few potential Wayne Couzen's in their tracks before they get to murder.[/quote]
Agree. Also the stopping on the side of the road whipping the penis out and having a wee. It’s not right. Women manage a car journey. Since when did it become so acceptable/not questioned/tolerated for perfectly decent adult men to piss in public spaces. They don’t even try to be discreet.

MrsRobbieHart · 30/09/2021 16:34

and is considered the lowest of the low for dragging all police down with him.

Really? That’s what he is considered the lowest of the low for? For damaging their reputation? Not for kidnapping, raping, strangling to death and then burning the body of a woman he was supposed to protect?

MrsRobbieHart · 30/09/2021 16:34

Says it all.

LoislovesStewie · 30/09/2021 16:36

This is a transcript of the Judges comments today

  • The vague state of mind that he suggested to Dr Latham is fatally contradicted his proven calculated behaviour over the entire period, including buying food and drink, organising vet and dental appointments, and coolly taking his family on an outing very close to where he had left Sarah Everard’s body. I emphasise that during the lengthy process of booking the appointment with the Vet, the defendant sound controlled and normal. This is relevant to the issue of whether the defendant has at any stage expressed any genuine contrition*
Noeuf · 30/09/2021 16:36

I was talking to someone earlier who is fairly high up in the met.
The general feeling there is of disgust. The man is hated by anyone they talk to and is considered the lowest of the low for dragging all police down with him.

Sort of a bit like the bare minimum really.

MrsRobbieHart · 30/09/2021 16:37

Yes, I wondered this too? Seems highly suspicious that he knew to wipe his phone just shortly before he was arrested.

Sounds like they were watching him for almost a week before arresting him so there’s a fair chance he realised he was being watched. Particularly due to the fact that in the hour or so prior to them moving in there will have been an increase in activity around his home. To the layman we might not have noticed it but for a trained police officer, and someone who was in high alert due to being the actual culprit, it stands to reason that he would have noticed some new activity going on around his home and realised he was going to be arrested.

LittlePearl · 30/09/2021 16:39

@oatmilk4breakfast

Is it weird to feel so affected by this and the Killamarsh murders and Sabina Nessa? Feel weak and sick and so depressed. Cried earlier and just can’t explain to husband why I feel so low.
I agree.

This week I just feel overwhelmed by it all.......primarily the suffering of the women who have died at the hands of violent men, but also the utter garbage spewed out by our politicians who fail to understand what it means to actually be a natal woman. As if any of the women mentioned on this thread could 'identify' out of the brutality meted out against them......

It's exhausting. I too found myself in tears earlier, thinking of my own daughter (the same age as Sarah Everard) and of the parents' agony. It's unimaginably horrific.

Fortunately my OH gets it, so no explanations necessary. He simply said he was sorry so many men are utterly shit.

MrsRobbieHart · 30/09/2021 16:40

At the back of WC house is fields, it would probably have been noticeable to him that there were people in the fields prior to his arrest. More so than if the back of his house was just a normal street where you would expect people to be walking up and down.

peaceanddove · 30/09/2021 16:43

I asked dh after the news if he has ever put his keys in his hands because he felt intimidated walking in the dark. No - he says, not once. Not once in 44 years. I tell him I've done it ever since I was old enough to walk in the dark. It must be a different world never feeling scared

I asked the same of DH and it has never occurred to him to ever feel threatened or unsafe. Okay, so he's an ex rugby prop and built like a tank, but even when he's been in threatening situations (he worked as a doorman whilst at university) he's never once felt physically threatened. Ever.

I can't even begin to comprehend how empowering and reassuring that must feel Sad

Feelingoktoday · 30/09/2021 16:44

It needs men to listen. I mentioned it to my partner. He listened. Then said not all men though. No not all men murder. But a lot of men do not question their mates when sexist jokes are made, when a woman is called a bike, topless photos, low level sexual abuse etc.

Pikamoo · 30/09/2021 16:45

@EvilPea

I was talking to someone earlier who is fairly high up in the met. The general feeling there is of disgust. The man is hated by anyone they talk to and is considered the lowest of the low for dragging all police down with him.
I don't understand this. If there was true disgust then he wouldn't have been a police officer, the culture there wouldn't have allowed it. He'd have been out for either his general attitude/behaviour (ie whatever lead to his "the rapist" nickname) or he'd have been out when his exposing his penis was properly investigated and dealt with either in 2015 or early 2021.