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Sarah Everard thread 2

343 replies

HangingOver · 30/09/2021 12:28

Keep venting.

Original thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4362028-Anyone-follow-the-coverage-of-the-Sarah-Everard-case-today-and-want-to-vent?pg=1

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mbosnz · 03/10/2021 15:24

It's not just in the police. It's also in the governance. Trickle down effect. . .

Livingtothefull · 03/10/2021 15:31

The response of both the Government and the Met is, quite frankly, just appalling; crass, tone deaf, complacent.

They have had months to consider the appropriate response to the murder. And this is the best they can do. Frankly I think it could be their misogyny showing through; I can't see how else they could have got it so wrong.

In the wake of this, how dare the Met tell women to 'flag down a bus' if they feel threatened by a police officer. And how dare the Prime Minister tell us we can trust the police, while deciding that no enquiry into organisational misogyny at the Met is necessary.

We all know that there is nothing that Sarah could have done to defend herself; to suggest otherwise is an insult to her, but also to all women. Sarah was doomed from the moment that her killer - a Met police officer - accosted her in the street, we know this and that is what made it so chilling.

So what are the Government and the police service going to do to stop this ever happening again?

theemperorhasnoclothes · 03/10/2021 17:57

Yes as soon as her killer saw her and decided to prey upon her, she had no chance. None.

He shouldn't have been there, he should have been arrested and suspended for indecent exposure.

FanGirlX · 03/10/2021 21:32

Met Police officer David Carrick, 46, is charged with rape
mol.im/a/10055205

Another one.

Muselyforbreakfast · 03/10/2021 22:59

@FanGirlX

Met Police officer David Carrick, 46, is charged with rape mol.im/a/10055205

Another one.

Bloody hell, words fail me
ohfourfoxache · 03/10/2021 23:11

Jesus Christ…..Sad

IfImLyingImDying · 04/10/2021 08:25

Same department as WC.

It’s an epidemic. CD needs to stand up and face this head on.

HarrisMcCoo · 04/10/2021 08:45

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FanGirlX · 04/10/2021 09:11

@IfImLyingImDying

Same department as WC.

It’s an epidemic. CD needs to stand up and face this head on.

It gets worse.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055307/More-HALF-Met-officers-guilty-sexual-misconduct-four-year-period-kept-job.html

Maverickess · 04/10/2021 09:26

So what are the Government and the police service going to do to stop this ever happening again?

Nothing, because I honestly am starting to think they don't want to, they're not interested.

placemats · 04/10/2021 09:32

Please do not comment on the David Carrick case. This from the CPS.

The Crown Prosecution Service reminds all concerned that criminal proceedings against the defendant are active and that he has a right to a fair trial.

“It is extremely important that there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.”

limitedperiodonly · 04/10/2021 10:48

@Caffeinefirst

It’s just another thing wrong with their disciplinary procedures. Everything seems to be in place to protect the Officers. The Police Federation protects and defends them no matter what.

Still being paid whilst on remand for Sarah’s murder with not a single element of doubt that he was guilty? Outrageous.

This is where you’d expect a genuine leader to say “I don’t care what the current policies say we are not going to be paying him and get on with changing the policy”.

The Police Federation is a trade union. They scream blue murder when described as such because the police are technically not allowed to be unionised. But if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

This morning I read this report. The intro is shocking enough but scroll down for details about five Met officers who joked about getting blow jobs from "hot slags" while on duty in a police van.

They are all still in a job. Why? I wouldn't want to get in that van with six men. Would any woman?

Same as the officer who dressed as Jimmy Savile on a stag do. He obviously thinks sexual assault by a serial abuser is a joke. Why would I go to him or any of his colleagues to report a rape or the rape of my daughter?

And the police wonder why women don't trust them.

I have nothing against unions. I'm a member of one myself. But please be honest. And when your members fuck up or commit misconduct or criminal offences do your best to represent them under the terms of their union membership.

But do not defend them to the public and please don't tell me what a hard job they've got because I'm sick of hearing about it.

HarrisMcCoo · 04/10/2021 20:15

I know it's not linked to the SE case but in Scotland there has been a DNA link to three different cases of women who appear to have been assaulted in the south west of Edinburgh between 2012 and 2015. I remember reading about the Newmills Road attack at the time. Hopefully they find him. Still at large.

HarrisMcCoo · 04/10/2021 20:19

@placemats

Please do not comment on the David Carrick case. This from the CPS.

The Crown Prosecution Service reminds all concerned that criminal proceedings against the defendant are active and that he has a right to a fair trial.

“It is extremely important that there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.”

I will have my post deleted as I remarked on the story another poster had linked to about this case. Thanks for the reminder 👍
CaveMum · 04/10/2021 21:10

For those that follow Laura Richards she has put out some interesting tweets. She helped set up a Homicide Prevention Unit at New Scotland Yard in 2004 with a real focus on serial domestic abusers and sex offenders. Needless to say it was disbanded Hmm

twitter.com/thecrimeanalyst/status/1445095353229873157?s=21

twitter.com/laurarichards99/status/1445061587631411207?s=21

CaveMum · 04/10/2021 21:18

This is from a Guardian article when the HPU was set up in 2004. If only they’d give these things a chance we might make some progress Angry

It is headed by Laura Richards, a senior behavioural psychologist, whose team of analysts works with detectives on current inquiries as well as researching trends and interpreting information about high-risk offenders.

The analysts will also look at "near misses" - attempted murders and serious assaults which could have resulted in death.

Experience has shown that many murderers have a pattern of offending which begins with relatively minor crimes and grows increasingly violent until the offender rapes or murders.

Such offenders may also have had disturbed childhoods. Mr Baker said FBI research revealed that many children who grew up to be serial killers had begun by torturing animals.

Ms Richards, who has carried out extensive research into domestic violence, said those who abuse partners were much more likely to commit violent crime outside the home - as did the Soham murderer Ian Huntley and the M25 rapist Antoni Imiela. One in 12 domestic abusers has convictions for sex attacks on strangers.

"Violence doesn't occur in a vacuum," Ms Richards said. "Violent acts are often a culmination of long-term development, identifiable trails of problems, conflicts and disputes."

Potential offenders may begin carrying weapons, perhaps using "trial runs" of their fantasy crime scenarios to build up confidence before going through with them for real. Location and opportunity can also be important.

Ms Richards said analysts had to read the criminal's inner thoughts to try to work out how these could escalate. It was often more about the "quality" of the violence - the significance it held for the perpetrator - rather than the quantity.

In common with many domestic abusers, some murderers could be charming and cunning, and extremely adept at manipulating people, including police. "It's about asking the right questions and knowing how to interpret the answers," she said

www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/jul/05/ukcrime.rosiecowan

limitedperiodonly · 04/10/2021 21:44

Police forces in every place Couzens has ever served or been for a day trip will be trawling their cold case files that they couldn't be arsed to investigate to see if they can polish up their rape clear-up statistics.

mbosnz · 04/10/2021 21:57

@limitedperiodonly

Police forces in every place Couzens has ever served or been for a day trip will be trawling their cold case files that they couldn't be arsed to investigate to see if they can polish up their rape clear-up statistics.
I did think it was one hell of a coincidink that they had a cold case rape that they solved on the back of DNA tonight, on BBC1. I've been called cynical before, for full disclosure. Which I'm a fan of. Pity so many are not.
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