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Sarah Everard thread 2

343 replies

HangingOver · 30/09/2021 12:28

Keep venting.

Original thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4362028-Anyone-follow-the-coverage-of-the-Sarah-Everard-case-today-and-want-to-vent?pg=1

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theemperorhasnoclothes · 30/09/2021 12:54

@Nosafeguardingadults

Needs to be long sentences for all murderers of women. A man murdered his wife last year in Wales. Strangled her and did it when she was trying to escape. He got 2 years cos he said he was depressed. Is very bad message to violent men.
There need to be more reviews into judges sentencing and judges losing their jobs when they're supporting ridiculously low sentences (which send the message that really it's ok to do this) and clearly misogynistic.

How we can have both a police force and judiciary which are so often openly hostile to the right to life of 51% of the population is beyond me.

LakieLady · 30/09/2021 12:56

@ohfourfoxache

Does anyone have any ideas about what we can actually do?

Obviously it’s “good” news that this utter bastard is locked away (may his life be tortuous) but violence against women and children continues

What can we actively “do”?

I'd like to see crimes of violence against women and girls included as hate crimes.

Why is it worse to kill someone for the colour of their skin, or because they have a disability, but not to kill them because they have 2 X chromosomes?

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MrsRobbieHart · 30/09/2021 13:02

Thanks for the new thread @HangingOver. It really does help to have a place where women can react to this.

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Caffeinefirst · 30/09/2021 13:03

I’m so angry, sickened, everything by this. I’m in my 50’s and it’s brought back times during my life when you get that sudden sinking realisation and fear that you are in a situation where things could end badly for you. Worst for me was when I was 19 and on my first night in France on year abroad in a cheap hotel. “Le patron”, tried to break into my room. I was alone, spoke very little French, certainly not the sort of colloquial language needed. I shouted and shouted and put my shoulder up against the door. The door was bolted but he was pushing from the other side. Eventually he seemed to go away as I was making a lot of noise. I then sat up all night, fully dressed on the bed. Left early the next morning, never reported it, would have had no clue. I felt lucky to have got away with nothing worse happening I know at some point Sarah would have had a realisation of the danger she was inand that is just so upsetting to think of.

If there was ever a need for some sort of public enquiry or review of police procedures then surely this is it? I want to know exactly what was and wasn’t done around the previously reported incidents and why he was still in his job. He reported that he was “stressed” and no longer wanted to carry firearms. But he seems to have related his “stress” to some ongoing complaint about payroll. I bet he was one of those constant complainers who thought he was better than he was. Also when he came up with his fake story about the Eastern European gang he played up what a family man he is and how he had to be there to defend his family, knowing, believing this will give him cover as it has probably worked for him in the past.

kwiksavenofrillsusername · 30/09/2021 13:04

@ThatCampWitch

I know that this is a side issue, but the conversation back there had descended into the handmaidens telling the rest of us that women commit crime too, as if it is ever on the same scale as male violence against women. There have only ever been 3 women sentenced in UK history to a full life tariff, I’m not going to mention their names, as the woke brigade are all over that, and busying themselves trying to equate the crimes of THREE women, EVER, with the fact that on average 3 women a week are killed by MEN, and only men, in the UK. Please just stop. Siding with the menz and their hurt feelings won’t make you or your daughters any safer, it just allows your sons to grow up in a environment that incubates and exonerates violence against women. Open your eyes. Stop contributing to the epidemic.
And two out of those three women committed murder alongside a man. Not saying they aren’t evil as hell, but you have to wonder whether they would have ever committed such crimes if a man hadn’t been involved.

Indecent exposure needs to be taken much more seriously. I feel like every time there’s some horrible brutal murder, it turns out the killer had previous for flashing. I wonder if any research has been done into the link?

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Pikamoo · 30/09/2021 13:07

I'm pleased that he's gotten the harshest sentence. Hopefully there will be real institutional and legislative change to protect women from male violence.

I'm going to write to my MP (not that I think it will change anything). Its a small thing we can all do though to show that this issue is important.

FourTeaFallOut · 30/09/2021 13:10

Was replying to this person who really does care about stopping women being murdered.

I just assumed after you accused everyone on the first thread of only caring about the death of Sarah Everard that you were carrying on in the same vein.

I think misogyny should be understood to be a hate crime, that street harassment, domestic violence, violent porn, flashing and taking pictures of dead women so send to your mates should be understood and prosecuted as a hate crime. And start from there.

MrsRobbieHart · 30/09/2021 13:10

With regards to the Met saying they don’t see him as a policeman. What they’re essentially saying is “we refuse to acknowledge that we provide a workplace environment in which it is easy for a murdering rapist to not only exist, but be welcomed, made part of workplace banter and use his position to plan and carry out his crimes all whilst unchallenged by any of us. But most importantly, because of this, we are refusing to acknowledge there are others just like him and we won’t act to identify and disarm them.”

worriedatthemoment · 30/09/2021 13:11

Will never get out , as it should be

FourTeaFallOut · 30/09/2021 13:12

@MrsRobbieHart

With regards to the Met saying they don’t see him as a policeman. What they’re essentially saying is “we refuse to acknowledge that we provide a workplace environment in which it is easy for a murdering rapist to not only exist, but be welcomed, made part of workplace banter and use his position to plan and carry out his crimes all whilst unchallenged by any of us. But most importantly, because of this, we are refusing to acknowledge there are others just like him and we won’t act to identify and disarm them.”
^^ And all of this, it makes me sick.
worriedatthemoment · 30/09/2021 13:12

@FourTeaFallOut how is taking pictures of a body not instant dismissal

Porcupineintherough · 30/09/2021 13:13

@LoislovesStewie I think that's already happening to an extent. I manage a woodland and periodically get reports of flashers being spotted. In recent years our local police have proactively being encouraging incidents to be reported to them precisely because they say it is often the precursor to more serios sexual offences. So attitudes are changing (during my childhood you were told not to look at the "silly" man but it wasnt considered a police matter by our parents).

Gimlisaxe · 30/09/2021 13:13

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FourTeaFallOut · 30/09/2021 13:13

I don't know. It should be a crime of its own, not just an employment matter.

IfImLyingImDying · 30/09/2021 13:15

Thanks @HangingOver.

MrsWarleggan · 30/09/2021 13:16

@MrsRobbieHart

Couldn't have put it any better. A full and transparent enquiry is required, although I doubt we will get it.

Whilst my thoughts are of course with the Everard family, I can't stop thinking about his Wife and children. How on earth do you communicate to those kids what their Father has done? Just... how??

Gimlisaxe · 30/09/2021 13:19

As one is over, another one starts, in the same court (possibly courtroom)
inews.co.uk/news/sabina-nessa-koci-selamaj-murder-teacher-charged-court-latest-news-1224974

goldengrove · 30/09/2021 13:20

I've just looked again at a sample of today's headlines - and noticed, all on one day:

Wayne Couzens - murderer of Sarah Everard
Koci Selanaj - murderer of Sabina Nessa
Damien Bendall - murderer of Terri Harris and three children in Derbyshire

....!!!... It seems that just being a female is the crime - let alone whether the murderer even knew her or not! All perpetrators male... of course.

Yes, our society absolutely MUST change, and much much more must be done to protect and believe women and girls.

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