Sarah Everard thread 2

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Keep venting.

Original thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4362028-Anyone-follow-the-coverage-of-the-Sarah-Everard-case-today-and-want-to-vent?pg=1

@ShotgunShack

Times are reporting that 5 other officers now under criminal investigation for sharing offensive material with WC on their messages.

Good. This is going to be a shit-storm, I think. A lot of stuff bubbling up from the sewers. Maybe Cressida Dick will eventually have to go, although she's clinging on for now.

@Caffeinefirst

I think even if he’d wiped the phone there would be some data that could be retrieved. One would hope that one of the things the police do is immediately get a download of data from the phone company. I’m assuming this is quite a straightforward process. They could have been doing this whilst he was a suspect? So I really hope they weren’t loitering outside his house waiting to question him without first having got a data download from the phone company

I watched a programme on this the other night, even if he deleted his phone, they can still retrieve all the data from the network including his texts and calls. So whatever he had on his phone they will know about.

@Bagelsandbrie

You have to wonder if he was tipped off before arrest by other police officers who were worried the truth would come out about them in his mobile records and that was why he was able to delete his mobile data.

I don’t think he was tipped off. If you read the judges notes on it, he noted the investigation.

@Maskless

For those asking how can his fellow policeman have though it was funny to call him 'the rapist' - they didn't.

What I read was that when he worked in a garage the female car owner customers felt uncomfortable speaking with him, making his car-mechanic colleagues jokingly call him 'the rapist'.

And this only came out after his arrest went public and those men remembered him.

He joined the police much later in life than most.

Nobody in the police knew he had that nickname.

He was never a regular "bobby on the beat type" policeman. Even in Kent he worked in a nuclear unit then into diplomatic protection.

Some of the complaints from kent didn’t follow him to the met. That obviously needs looking into, someone’s system didn’t work. Either Kent’s or the met

Just a point I've thought of. Could this noe mean that male police officers will be reluctant to approach or arrest women who may be about to or have committed a crime? Could the crime rate by women now go up?

@Burtsbumble

Just a point I've thought of. Could this noe mean that male police officers will be reluctant to approach or arrest women who may be about to or have committed a crime? Could the crime rate by women now go up?

If this is what youre worried about, you have a problem.

How many women are going around committing violent crimes or posing a danger to the public do you think?

The Guardian is reporting that not all of the officers in the WhatsApp group are from the Met. One is from Norfolk and another from the civil nuclear police.

So other forces shouldn’t try to pretend that the rot is only in London.

Sorry, the BBC.

From what I’ve read elsewhere, prior to this, Facebook and WhatsApp are notoriously hard to get to share their data with the police.

bbc.in/2Y8Rd7f?fbclid=IwAR3GNLEabMe-dGugWcNaCAtyBeJ8lTeHRQHwmFhqThPVtZnVJM6ze4-ROnw

Hope this link works. BBC report about the North Yorkshire Crime Commissioner victim blaming Sarah for going with WC and saying woman should have legal knowledge

Above link also contains a link to the WhatsApp story

Jesus fucking Christ! She should never have submitted? So no women should ever have submitted to being arrested by a lone officer? Women should be streetwise? We should all fully understand the every changing laws surrounding covid at all times? Even those of us with learning disabilities? Those of us who can’t read English? Those of us who have been subjected to police brutality in the past and have PTSD? Those of us who are too exhausted with working nights and homeschooling children to even think about whether the policeman in front of us with handcuffs and a warrant card is in fact allowed to arrest us for the specific thing he is saying he is arresting us for?

What an absolute cuntweasel

I note that he’s a white (likely middle class) male - what a position of privilege

That is victim blaming at its most extreme and he too should resign.

So we can update - know all our legal rights, flag down a bus and phone 999 - to the rules when a lone plain clothes policeman want to arrest you. Good to know.

I suppose we'll add this to the other rules, don't walk alone at night, don't wear the wrong clothes, don't drink too much, don't forget to take your drink to the toilet, don't piss a man off by rejecting him too forcefully in case you humiliate him and he is forced to punch you in the face and don't be too polite or you are leading him on, don't forget to ring your friends when you get home in a taxi, never forget to pretend someone is in the house when a strange guy knocks on your door at night.

Apparently the police believe telling women these Mickey Mouse rules of safety is more effective than telling men not to rape, batter, strangle and murder women. Or so you would believe from their communications.

The rot sets in so early though doesn’t it?

My little girl had issues with boys hitting at nursery and then at school. When we brought it up to the staff at the nursery we were told ‘oh yes the boys are quite boisterous’. This was in response to her crying at night and not wanting to go in because these boys followed the girls to hit them . We were just supposed to accept it!

Now at reception there is another boy who has taken to hitting other children over the head with whatever hard object he has to hand. Just this morning his mum was talking about it in the playground, complaining that the teachers keep talking to her about it. The overarching reaction from the other parents stood around her was that ‘it is just a phase’ and ‘aw he is just a boy though isn’t he?’. I stood silently fuming, thinking of these threads and poor women like Sarah.

As long as we, as a society, let young boys behave like that and describe it as ‘boys will be boys’ or being ‘boisterous’, we will have these levels of male aggression. I am honestly considering writing to the school and asking them to make a real point of clamping down and educating the children (and the parents!) on sexism and misogyny and how we should all behave towards one another with a special focus on aggression and violence from boys but I’m not sure how receptive they would be to it.

Sorry I don’t know how to quote a PP but it was mentioned that the system must have failed in that Kent police did not hand their concerns re WC past behaviour to the Met. There was an interview on women’s hour yesterday with Zoe billingham who was an HM inspectorate of constabulary and she was saying that it was only in 2019, following reports she had compiled that it became compulsory for forces to share info with other forces when a copper moved from one to the other. I mean, it beggars belief, all of it

Careful how far you reach there now. You don’t want to strain yourself.

The above was to @Burtsbumble. Reply function fail.

@Burtsbumble

Just a point I've thought of. Could this noe mean that male police officers will be reluctant to approach or arrest women who may be about to or have committed a crime? Could the crime rate by women now go up?

Well no, because in your theory we won’t be arrested. So crime statistics by women would go down.

But let’s not be daft

My jaw is on the floor this afternoon.

What absolute tone deaf bellend of a PR officer to the Met have?! The amount of victim blaming spewing from them right low is just….. something to behold I guess.

I have no words.

I have just emailed my MP (Labour, and female) expressing my anger and demanding to know a) whether she will be calling for a public enquiry; b) whether she will be speaking to Keir about his lack of nuance regarding Cressida Dicks suitability for her job; c) whether she will be using her floor to draw attention to the victim-blaming stance spewing out of Phil Allott's (white, male, middle-class) mouth, and d) whether she will be thinking of creative solutions to protect women from the insidious misogyny in the police force (e.g. something like Clare's Law for police officers who've had complaints raised against them, even if nothing was found; and, an independent and anonymous reporting system so that women can report police officers and now their complaint will be handled independently, rather than by the very force they're reporting, and not fear retribution and further violence).

I am so angry tonight. So, so angry.

I’ve cried this afternoon, I was watching the lunchtime news with DH and started ranting at the tv about all the crappy “advice” and platitudes that’s being spouted. I cried for Sarah and her family, I cried for me and the fact I’m questioning whether I should continue my 6am runs and most of all I cried for my 7yo DD and the fear that this kind of crap is only going to continue as she gets older. I feel so worn down by it all.

@WellJuhnelle

The rot sets in so early though doesn’t it?

My little girl had issues with boys hitting at nursery and then at school. When we brought it up to the staff at the nursery we were told ‘oh yes the boys are quite boisterous’. This was in response to her crying at night and not wanting to go in because these boys followed the girls to hit them . We were just supposed to accept it!

Now at reception there is another boy who has taken to hitting other children over the head with whatever hard object he has to hand. Just this morning his mum was talking about it in the playground, complaining that the teachers keep talking to her about it. The overarching reaction from the other parents stood around her was that ‘it is just a phase’ and ‘aw he is just a boy though isn’t he?’. I stood silently fuming, thinking of these threads and poor women like Sarah.

As long as we, as a society, let young boys behave like that and describe it as ‘boys will be boys’ or being ‘boisterous’, we will have these levels of male aggression. I am honestly considering writing to the school and asking them to make a real point of clamping down and educating the children (and the parents!) on sexism and misogyny and how we should all behave towards one another with a special focus on aggression and violence from boys but I’m not sure how receptive they would be to it.

I agree with every word here.. as a teacher ( in secondary albeit) I have worked in several schools where is a clear behaviour issue with the boys. Different expectations of them and of what boundaries they are given. When you point it out you are told 'boys will be boys' or 'its just boys' or the patronising 'boys and girls are so different'.

So many of these issues should and could be addressed in schools. There needs to be a culture change.

I was upstairs once and noticed a man with a t shirt on and nothing else.

This was years ago and today whilst driving I think I spotted him but only face and no idea if naked unfortunately.