Sarah Everard thread 2

[HangingOver]

Keep venting.

Original thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4362028-Anyone-follow-the-coverage-of-the-Sarah-Everard-case-today-and-want-to-vent?pg=1

I wish the papers and news sites would stop putting pictures of his horrible face. Nobody wants to look at it.

I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said. I don't think I've ever felt so angry, frightened and powerless in my life.

It's disgraceful that his behaviour wasn't picked up on. It's disgraceful that what are seen as 'low level' offences aren't responded to properly, as these so often escalate to worse crimes. Sentences given to sex offenders are far too short, and so often offenders who are clearly dangerous are released and are able to offend again.

Like so many women, I've had a number of unpleasant incidents in the past. There are so many things I won't do now because I fear for my safety - and by that, I mean going for an evening out as I'm scared of the journey home.

I don't know what else to say except that I feel my heart is breaking for Sarah and her family, and for the many, many other women who have been killed by men. My aim now is to get involved with organisations who are trying to change things and to do whatever I can to make this happen.

Re putting his photograph in the newspapers, it might mean that previous victims recognise him and come forward.

@Maskless

For those asking how can his fellow policeman have though it was funny to call him 'the rapist' - they didn't.

What I read was that when he worked in a garage the female car owner customers felt uncomfortable speaking with him, making his car-mechanic colleagues jokingly call him 'the rapist'.

And this only came out after his arrest went public and those men remembered him.

He joined the police much later in life than most.

Nobody in the police knew he had that nickname.

He was never a regular "bobby on the beat type" policeman. Even in Kent he worked in a nuclear unit then into diplomatic protection.

The CIoC disagrees with you about his nickname, and also states that he had a reputation in the force for drug use, extreme pornography etc.

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19616756.wayne-couzens-police-nickname---rapist/

Exactly, @BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand The first para says

Chief Inspector of Constabulary Sir Tom Winsor confirmed Couzens was known as "the rapist" by other officers at times during his career and the IOPC was investigating what other officers knew about him.

@SylviaTrench

Re putting his photograph in the newspapers, it might mean that previous victims recognise him and come forward.

Agreed, that’s why I said the picture should not be used more than is necessary during the investigation or in the case of a “have you seen this man” request.

Criminal psychologists are saying there’s no way this was his first attempt at such a crime. It may have been his first murder but he was way too prepared for this to be a first go. I wonder if they’ve spoken to local prostitutes, most offenders seem to start there and sadly many women in that situation are reluctant to report attacks to the police. I’d bet money that he’s used similar tactics on other women before but he was no longer getting the same thrill out of it so it escalated to murder.

The only thing I can’t reconcile is why did he hire a car in his own name? Surely he’d have known it would be traced back to him pretty quickly, or was he so narcissistic that he thought he’d get away with it?

"The only thing I can’t reconcile is why did he hire a car in his own name?"

I've seen this a few times but is it even possible to fraudulently hire a car? I imagine they have a lot more checks than the met recruitment office.

I don’t normally get too affected by news stories, but when I was running last night I couldn’t stop thinking about it and I just burst into tears and sobbed for a minute. It was the thought of that bastard driving her along for so long and how she must have been feeling. I always pray when you see these sorts of stories that the poor women at least died quickly and didn’t have time to be too terrified. But we know that isn’t how it was for Sarah.

I read somewhere that the ‘rapist’ nickname was one that female colleagues had given him, which makes me wonder if it was a sort of warning? Combined with the former superintendent (Parm something? I can’t think of her full name and my phone will crash if I try and look it up on another tab) who talked about female officers not complaining in case their male colleagues left them to have their heads kicked in,
It does make me wonder whether female officers felt they needed to protect themselves. However it came about though, it seems clear that misogyny runs through the Met. It’s disgusting, and CD shouldn’t be allowed to make it out to be an isolated incident.

@FourTeaFallOut

"The only thing I can’t reconcile is why did he hire a car in his own name?"

I've seen this a few times but is it even possible to fraudulently hire a car? I imagine they have a lot more checks than the met recruitment office.

Sadly probably true.

So WC’s phone was wiped just before arrest.

Given that we know his colleagues at every level colluded to excuse his predatory sexual behavior and brutal porn preferences. I would be willing to bet my house, that phone contained plenty of interesting ’banter’ that could have incriminates plenty of other upstanding colleagues.

If so, I’d also be willing to bet he’ll use that information to the best of his ability inside. To blackmail other officers and get himself an easy ride.

There needs to be a big culture change in the police in general and the Met in particular. I really don’t think there is a conflict between Black Lives Matter and improving some things for women.

There was a documentary on a while ago about Stephen Lawrence and it showed that some police officers were too close to the killers and effectively took their side. Clifford Norris the Dad of David was a big gangsters and was paying the police. Some of them have more sympathy with the criminals and not the victims.

There needs to be more black officers and more women police officers but that in itself is not going to guarantee a good system. The report the Wayne Couzins sexually assaulted a female colleague snd this was covered up sounds all too plausible.

You have to wonder if he was tipped off before arrest by other police officers who were worried the truth would come out about them in his mobile records and that was why he was able to delete his mobile data.

@ShotgunShack

So WC’s phone was wiped just before arrest.

Given that we know his colleagues at every level colluded to excuse his predatory sexual behavior and brutal porn preferences. I would be willing to bet my house, that phone contained plenty of interesting ’banter’ that could have incriminates plenty of other upstanding colleagues.

If so, I’d also be willing to bet he’ll use that information to the best of his ability inside. To blackmail other officers and get himself an easy ride.

This makes no sense. If he wiped it all then he has nothing to hold against anyone, no evidence of wrongdoing by others at all. His word counts for nothing, so he can't blackmail anyone just on the basis of what he knows.

@ShotgunShack

So WC’s phone was wiped just before arrest.

Given that we know his colleagues at every level colluded to excuse his predatory sexual behavior and brutal porn preferences. I would be willing to bet my house, that phone contained plenty of interesting ’banter’ that could have incriminates plenty of other upstanding colleagues.

If so, I’d also be willing to bet he’ll use that information to the best of his ability inside. To blackmail other officers and get himself an easy ride.

I agree. Sue Fish, Chief Constable for Nottinghamshire police said on the news that police misuse their powers EVERY DAY and whistle blowers are marginalised and isolated.

Whilst I agree with the judge that the investigation of this murder was carried out exceptionally well, it appears the 3 occasions he was reported for flashing women were ignored by the Met, and on those occasions they did close ranks around Waynker. His colleagues have questions to answer.

This makes no sense. If he wiped it all then he has nothing to hold against anyone, no evidence of wrongdoing by others at all. His word counts for nothing, so he can't blackmail anyone just on the basis of what he knows.

He wouldn’t have his phone in prison anyway so wouldn’t have access to the information he needed to blackmail anyone. It would be sitting in an evidence bag in a police warehouse.

@Bagelsandbrie

You have to wonder if he was tipped off before arrest by other police officers who were worried the truth would come out about them in his mobile records and that was why he was able to delete his mobile data.

Absolutely agree. There will be plenty of officers being publicly ‘disgusted and appalled’ whilst privately shitting themselves.

And WC knows exactly who they are too.

Yes. But wiping the phone first means only he knows where the skeletons are. Any tiny bit power is worth holding onto. He didn’t do this to protect others, he’ll only be considering his own benefit.

There may even be other devices or evidence only he knows about. He’s not stupid and he planned this for months.

On the phone bit, I can't believe his mobile phone company wouldn't have been able to retrieve a lot of his messages etc. The police were able to track his movements from his mobile even after he wiped it.

After Reeva Steencamp's murder, the police were able to retrieve even her deleted Whatsapp messages.

I'm sure there is a lot we don't know.

Just because you wipe your phone doesn't mean much these days - aren't all messages backed up to the Cloud?

Also interested to know if there are any protests. More must be done. Also willing to travel.

Not sure about WhatsApp. I know the police investigating the ulster rugby players’ for rape were unable to retrieve messages they had sent to each other after the incident.

I'm guessing that the fact that the owner of the messages (Reeva) was dead may have changed the legal position for WhatsApp.

Times are reporting that 5 other officers now under criminal investigation for sharing offensive material with WC on their messages.

I think even if he’d wiped the phone there would be some data that could be retrieved. One would hope that one of the things the police do is immediately get a download of data from the phone company. I’m assuming this is quite a straightforward process. They could have been doing this whilst he was a suspect? So I really hope they weren’t loitering outside his house waiting to question him without first having got a data download from the phone company

@thewinehasgonetomyhead

Also interested to know if there are any protests. More must be done. Also willing to travel.

Same here