What do the tories have to do to lose an election ?

[Desmorelda]

There have been suggestions in the press that within the next year Johnson will call a general election what with the infighting going on in the LP and life for many returning to normal.
At the moment the Tories are still garnering a decent percentage of prospective votes in polls. On a recent thread about Angela Rayner's choice language most posters were incensed that the PM had been subjected to such insults and felt that this genuinely made the opposition unelectable, such was
her threat to the moral fabric of the UK. However bad things are, people seem to have short memories at election time. Default vote is for the tories, however fiscally inept they are, despite multiple incidents of cronyism and corruption, dishonesty, documented lying in parliament.
I appreciate other parties are equally as incompetent but in a more bumbling, less cynical way. The Tories on the other hand are tefal plated and are not subjected to the same rigorous moral standards as the lib dems or the LP, both by the press and voters. I find it mystifying as someone not born in this country that people are so complacent and forgiving. So I just wondered how bad do the Tories have to be to lose your vote. Or maybe explain what have they done so well in the last 11 years to deserve your vote ?

@julieca

Yes I wish David Milliband had been elected. Tony Blair needed to go, but a lot of the broader policies were good.

Yes i think david milliband would have made a big difference

Totally agree about David Milliband.

I agree about David Milliband...and Andy Burnham
Labour of recent years has not made good choices of leader

I think David will be pm one day.

It's completely perplexing. The state of this place would be causing riots in any other country and Boz would be out on his arse, regardless of what might replace him. Whereas we just lie down and ask for more of the same but worse, please. This Brexit is a total fuck up and everything we said it would be. And we're not even halfway into it yet.

Andy Burnham is completely captured too so no thanks. Don't know about DM.

Christ if Tony Blair and his cabinet of extremely capable grown up politicians turned up I would vote for them in a heartbeat even with all their serious flaws.. (…like neglecting to focus on economic growth outside the south East, doing nothing about house price inflation everywhere, Iraq war, fucking up higher education by marketising it.. )
If Miliband showed up standing for PM I would literally cry with relief.

Saying that I don’t think it could ever happen unless DM ran with his brother, it would put an unbearable strain on their relationship otherwise wouldn’t it? My hope is that Yvette Cooper will come forward for PM.

@Bollindger

I kid you not, as a Tory voter, i watched Labour and was waiting for David Miliband to become the Next :Labour Leader, I was going to vote for him, as Labour hadn't done that bad a job, Yes I know TB ended up going power mad, but I really did want them to continue on their course. I remember the shock when his Brother stabbed him in the back, and Knew Ed would never be elected , He thought he was a shoe in, that stone tablet was so funny. I will always remember that night and how it ended.

Yes, I agree. David Miliband is the kind of politician that can capture the middle ground, like Tony Blair did, and make the LP electable. Even my DM, who is true blue, thinks he's a good bloke. That's the problem with the LP in recent years though - all the decent Labour centrists like DM, Yvette Cooper, have been sidelined and the leftie nutters like Corbyn and Rayner have been shouting their commie nonsense. I don't care which party you belong to, but the day you call the opposition 'scum' you've lost the argument and any credibility you may once have had. We, as a nation, expect our politicians to engage in respectful discourse, not yell insults. Rayner is a disgace.

This is a big OH DEAR if true.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10053155/Three-Labour-MPs-defect-Conservatives-Sir-Keir-Starmers-leadership.html?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

@Tellmesomethinggirl

They don't need to do anything well because everything is spinned by the right wing press in their favour. It's got to the point where it's verging on the anti-democratic.

I struggle to think of any under-30 that I know who reads a physical newspaper, or watches the BBC news. It’s so last century.

And yes, a PP’s image of a wide open goal, with the opposition shambling around like brain-dead zombies, hitting each other on the head and ignoring the opportunity seems an excellent analogy for Labour for the last decade or so.

I was thinking today, given Labour's absurd views on women, all Boris will need to do is demand safe spaces and single sex loos are restored, put something in place to ensure women cannot be arrested by lone male police officers, and look at better sentences for dv and they'll win.
Keir Starmer needs to get a grip, and quickly.