What do the tories have to do to lose an election ?

[Desmorelda]

There have been suggestions in the press that within the next year Johnson will call a general election what with the infighting going on in the LP and life for many returning to normal.
At the moment the Tories are still garnering a decent percentage of prospective votes in polls. On a recent thread about Angela Rayner's choice language most posters were incensed that the PM had been subjected to such insults and felt that this genuinely made the opposition unelectable, such was
her threat to the moral fabric of the UK. However bad things are, people seem to have short memories at election time. Default vote is for the tories, however fiscally inept they are, despite multiple incidents of cronyism and corruption, dishonesty, documented lying in parliament.
I appreciate other parties are equally as incompetent but in a more bumbling, less cynical way. The Tories on the other hand are tefal plated and are not subjected to the same rigorous moral standards as the lib dems or the LP, both by the press and voters. I find it mystifying as someone not born in this country that people are so complacent and forgiving. So I just wondered how bad do the Tories have to be to lose your vote. Or maybe explain what have they done so well in the last 11 years to deserve your vote ?

Christ alone knows. I can't make head or tail of it either. I'm a Labour voter usually but they can whistle for my vote after their shitshow of a conference. I would never EVER vote Tory though and have no idea why so many people still seen to think that Boris Johnson walks on water. I find it borderline frightening

The problem is the other parties, they have an open door and still can’t walk through it.

PM He’s a populist who is skilled at manipulating image of self as jovial posho. This appears to work, he gets away with a lot of ineptitude and process failure because LibDem and Labour are both absent and preoccupied . There’s a chasm that PM fills seems he has a mass appeal

Lie
Cheat
Appoint dishonest people to high office
Fail to close our borders at the start of the pandemic
Mishandle: PPE, discharges to care homes
Bugger up the education system with micro-management
Take us out of the EU
Walk away from Afghanistan without getting troops and civilians who worked with us out to safety
And so much more.........

No....hold on a moment ....they have done all these things a STILL peolple have no problem with them.

I give up now.

They are shit....but the opposition is shittier

The Conservatives may hate women but at least they know what one is. Until the other parties learn that I’m afraid there’s no other choice but to vote Conservative. There is literally nothing they could do to lose my vote - not until the other parties wise up.

Nobody thinks Johnson walks on water. That's the sort of stupid comment that really gets my goat.

I voted Tory because having Corbyn and Labour as it was in charge was unthinkable. I think the Tories did a pretty good job getting the vaccine secured and rolled out and I haven't seen anything at all from Labour to make me think they would have done any better.

Plus I don't like the typical vocal labour supporter with their attitude of "you don't agree with me so you must be wrong and hate poor people."

Like pp said the door is open and Labour can't even walk through it - why would anyone vote for them?

The question should be what do labour have to do to win an election. The Conservative party are abhorrent, I won’t be voting for them, but the Labour Party are worse.

The problem is the other parties
Exactly. The Tories are twats but there’s no alternative. I mean Labour believes that women are rights-hoarding dinosaurs!!

A colleague of mine said that Johnson could rape your mum and dad bent over the living room sofa, after Sunday lunch, in full view of both you and the neighbours and tory voters would still make excuses for his actions.

I'm minded to agree with him.

There’s no realistic alternative. That’s the problem.

I always previously voted labour but I wouldn’t do now given they don’t even know what a woman is. After all I’m just a body with a vagina aren’t I?

A colleague of mine said that Johnson could rape your mum and dad bent over the living room sofa, after Sunday lunch, in full view of both you and the neighbours and tory voters would still make excuses for his actions
I’m fine with that as long as he knows my Mum is a woman and my Dad is a man!

'i voted Tory because having Corbyn and Labour as it was in charge was unthinkable'

I fully get why voting for Labour under Corbyn was not an option. I felt that way myself. But to give your vote to the Tories? That I do not get. Not for a second

And Johnson seems to do no wrong in some people's eyes, despite him being a racist, misogynist, self serving, incompetent, complacent, proven liar. He turns my stomach. I never could see the appeal but now no one can claim they are unaware of what you might politely call his shortcomings

@CamillaRose

I'm not.
I won't vote for the tories even though I can't vote Labour due to the trans issue.

Fuck the lot of them.

Blame the utter wankers who can't put forward a proper opposition for fucks sake. I hate the tories but keir starmer? Really? He's got nothing. Absolutely nothing.

'Fuck the lot of them.'

Yep, that's about the size of it. Seems like the only hope left is Shahrar Ali who is standing for leader of the Greens. Results on Friday

I’d never ever vote Tory; ever. It’s a depressing picture but honestly I think the general public have such poor knowledge about out political system that it’s led to these bizarre voting patterns.
This is controversial but I also think we are one of very few countries that have had any sort of big revolution in our history- this means that we still have a system where a wealthy elite are considered as justified in positions of power. As a result I think Tory behaviour is generally considered ‘acceptable’, whereas If labour behaved in the same way it would not be. In fact labour are crucified for doing far less than the conservatives (or the royal family!). This pattern actually reflected in wider society too- elite corporations don’t pay tax etc and bend the law yet working class people are more widely punished for criminal activity.

I don’t know what will happen re Tory vs Labour; I think in the next 10 years we will see an alternative party emerge unless labour have a radical reinvention. I think a centre-left party with a dynamic, younger minded leader, a mix of socialist & green ideas, with snappy branding and an ethically diverse group will take the limelight.
Here’s hoping 🙏 xo

Stop pandering to wealthy pensioners, by triple-locking their pensions and raising taxing on the young to protect their assets.

Given that the Tories may be incompetent & dishonest, but they aren’t stupid, they won’t be doing that any time soon, so their power base will remain intact.

Can Labour re-group in time to look credible before the next General Election? That is the first question.
Let us hold fast to our opinions until after the Tory Conference.
Often a book will is published to maximise publicity and embarrassment to someone in the Party.

I'm a lifelong Tory voter. However, events in recent months have turned my head a little, and I'm not sure I could vote for them again. But considering Labour's growing contempt for biological women, I can't for them either. If Shahrar Ali should win the Green Party leader election this week, I would consider giving them my vote. It's all gone a bit pear shaped really and I've found myself politically homeless for the first time in my voting life.

@thatsnotmyzoo

There’s no realistic alternative. That’s the problem.

I always previously voted labour but I wouldn’t do now given they don’t even know what a woman is. After all I’m just a body with a vagina aren’t I?

This!!

But to answer the original question, the Tories don't have to do anything to lose - or win for that matter. Labour keep handing it to them on a silver platter.

'Labour keep handing it to them on a silver platter.'

They really do. Behaving like a bunch of unhinged lunatics at conference over the last few days. FFS

@Lottapianos

'i voted Tory because having Corbyn and Labour as it was in charge was unthinkable'

I fully get why voting for Labour under Corbyn was not an option. I felt that way myself. But to give your vote to the Tories? That I do not get. Not for a second

And Johnson seems to do no wrong in some people's eyes, despite him being a racist, misogynist, self serving, incompetent, complacent, proven liar. He turns my stomach. I never could see the appeal but now no one can claim they are unaware of what you might politely call his shortcomings

Because the smug labour supporters on my social media were so convinced they were going to sweep the election I was worried that would be the case and I wanted to prevent it. The only way of doing that in my area was to vote Conservative.

As it turns out they were just the ones making the most noise - but I really REALLY didn't want a labour government. I'm not thrilled about some of what the tories have done but I'm still firmly convinced the alternative would have been worse. If a credible opposition were present its entirely possible I would have voted for them.