What do the tories have to do to lose an election ?

[Desmorelda]

There have been suggestions in the press that within the next year Johnson will call a general election what with the infighting going on in the LP and life for many returning to normal.
At the moment the Tories are still garnering a decent percentage of prospective votes in polls. On a recent thread about Angela Rayner's choice language most posters were incensed that the PM had been subjected to such insults and felt that this genuinely made the opposition unelectable, such was
her threat to the moral fabric of the UK. However bad things are, people seem to have short memories at election time. Default vote is for the tories, however fiscally inept they are, despite multiple incidents of cronyism and corruption, dishonesty, documented lying in parliament.
I appreciate other parties are equally as incompetent but in a more bumbling, less cynical way. The Tories on the other hand are tefal plated and are not subjected to the same rigorous moral standards as the lib dems or the LP, both by the press and voters. I find it mystifying as someone not born in this country that people are so complacent and forgiving. So I just wondered how bad do the Tories have to be to lose your vote. Or maybe explain what have they done so well in the last 11 years to deserve your vote ?

Shows you just how shit and unelectable Labour STILL are, doesn't it?

Come on Keir, grow a pair!

I don't like the Tories but the Lib dems have done nothing to show an increase in any form of competence since the coalition and Labour is a giant joke. Keir Starmer is just a different kind of joke from Corbyn. I truly feel we haven't got a competent party to choose from.

The best I've got is that as bad as things are I genuinely do not believe that Keir Starmer would not make things ten times worse. Which granted is hard to believe.

It's depressing , I came from a very heavy union family. A dyed in the wool Labour supporting family who were very proud of it. My father literally hangs his head in embarrassment at the labour party and my god if my grandfather saw any of this , it doesn't bear thinking about.

At the very least I know exactly how crap the current party is. I don't fancy finding out exactly what ridiculous fresh hell idiot starmer foists on us.

In fairness I haven't actually decided what to do. My rational calm assumption is that we are buggered. Hope that helps.

@KimmyKimdoo why an embarrassment ? Surely the party in government presiding over food and fuel shortages should be ashamed ? Maybe it's british thing, stiff upper lip. You can't admit you've repeatedly elected a party into power that constantly lets you down. So you content yourself that the alternative is worse. Like Brexit. The self denial that it isn't an absolute disaster is striking.

[quote Desmorelda]@Shmithecat2 but what do the tories do well ? Labour may well be a poor opposition but what are the positive things that the Tories have done which make them more electable ? Cuts to UC will hurt poor w/c women, Brexit will lower the standard of living for most people, our children will have fewer opportunities, NHS on its last legs, education failing but Labour are incompetent .... I agree that their stand on self ID is bonkers but the tory party has been so inept in multiple areas.....[/quote]
That's the issue - the Tories are in, so they don't HAVE to do anything well. The other parties have to demonstrate that they can do better. Which they most certainly are not doing right now.

@Nietzschethehiker lol you prove my point. Starmer will make things ten times worse. Really ? No petrol available locally near me, empty shelves in the supermarkets....but labour or lib dems are worse. Sadly the UK will never improve. Just apathy.
The question was what have the tories done that is good but no one can tell us. Just that labour are bad or a joke. Ironically I think the joke is on the UK.

I agree that their stand on self ID is bonkers but the tory party has been so inept in multiple areas
My vote hinges on one issue: whoever will protect women’s rights. At the moment the Tories are the only ones who aren’t dismantling them.

My heart is left, but it has been a very (very) long time since there has been a direction and leadership I can align with in terms of political party voting. I can't vote Tory. For numerous reasons, no other party can get my vote, although I have dabbled with Green when they have been less twattish.
Women died for my right to vote and I HATE the fact that I spoil my ballot paper so frequently. But I genuinely cannot pin my colours to any mast. If 'none of the above' was an option, I suspect they would win by a landslide.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

The problem is the other parties, they have an open door and still can’t walk through it.

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Face a viable opposition?

There's no other party that seems willing and able to put forward a sensible plan on how to run the country. They seem determined to make themselves unelectable. As bad as the Tories are, none of the other options look any more appealing.

They need to stop making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Labour needs to determine their policies and been more proactive in their campaigning.
It may be that the tortes will loose some of their majority which would help.

Support GSI and people won't have anyone to vote for.

I thought Starmer was going to do it for me, then I realised he was really quite shit, and even more stupid than BJ so I'm still waiting!

Genocide? Kill all male children under a year old? Fuck knows.

As long as Labour keeps they head up they arse and sling insults from their hig horses instead of developing consistent believable policies the Tories will win every election

Johnson and the rest must struggle to believe how lucky they are. Frankly he has run a pretty inept government due to packing the cabinet based on loyalty rather than talent..and it shows.

But there simply is no alternative. There is no opposition in reality and that fuckwit heckling at the Labour conference might have been entertaining but she actually represents what has been running the party until recently, and lurking in it since the 70's. A part of the "broad church" of the Labour Party that hates Jews and would happily persecute them yet masquerading as pure virtue.

I think Labour are pretty knackered but at some point another opposition will rise up as the vacuum will be filled. In the meantime our democracy is failing as it relies on scrutiny and challenge from the official opposition and there isn't any.

Oh and whilst ever they have a deputy leader behaving as Angela Raynor does....then .....eyes rolling. Not all the working class behave like her!!

It’s not a case of what the tories have to do. Until Labour sorts itself out and stops with the identity politics they could eat kittens live on breakfast tv and still win the election

The far left has done more damage to the Labour Party and contributed the most to enable successive conservative governments than anyone. Socialist Worker and Momentum are rabble rousers and shit stirrers and have been a dream for the tabloid press to latch on to, to beat down the Labour Party. If they're not happy with how things can be successfully achieved it would be my dream for them to go off and start their own party. It wouldn't even surprise me if there are right wing/anarchist plants within them to keep that shit stirred to keep causing trouble. Back in the day that was the case, so I don't see it being any different today.

The Tory party is full of just as much infighting, but miraculously manage to keep most of the detail out of the press (I wonder why that is? Oh I know because they're owned by Tories and Tory donors).

The policies people are focusing on in this thread is too depressing for words. This government has failed massively and all people can say is 'I used to vote Labour but I could never vote for this lot', but all that will do is let in another Tory government & another bunch of self entitled twits to run the country into the ground even more!

Labour used to be the main party in MPs in London from Scotland - I think they now have 1 seat - I usually vote Tory, I don't want a referendum but unfortunately Labour just seem to have no ideas (how many million trillion were they going to make from removing charitable status from private schools ) - apart from that I can't recall any 'great' ideas from Labour.
But if they should come up with an idea or two they might be able to fight the SNP that dominates at the moment.

Labour should be miles in front of the Conservatives at this moment in time. The fact that they're not shows how unpopular and unelectable Labour are.

All the Cons have to do is let Labour continue with its navel gazing and infighting and the Cons will be handed another five year term.

I certainly wouldn't vote Labour if Keir Starmer thinks its wrong to say only women have a cervix.

We've had the banking crash 2008-9, then appalling austerity for 10 years (I don't know why the UK had this but the rest of teh western world didn't, can only imagine it was because we had more investment in financial world). Then before that was done we had Brexit - totally unexpected result no preparation had been made for. Then before we had even half sorted that you have Covid, no preparation probably because of austerity. And now the fall out of all of that plus huge changes in the move to online shopping (which we all contribute to).
I don't think any party can magic up a solution to this endless disaster situation.
Tories are muddling through, fire fighting.
Hopefully we are coming to the end of this.
I guess that if labour claimed to have solutions to any of these disastrous events they'd get called out on it as there is no magic wand.

I'm holding out hope that the Greens will get their basket case if a party in order.

I just wrote to my MP about Labour's bizarre science denialism. Whatever you think about trans rights you should not be saying that babies are born without a sex (Dawn Butler) or than a vaginoplasty creates a cervix (Lammy).

There have been suggestions in the press that within the next year Johnson will call a general election...

How? Why? The December 2019 election gave the Conservatives a huge majority, and there's no question about Johnson's legitimacy as PM as he was already Leader and PM when the election happened. Lab infighting might be relevant in a case where the Cons had a minority govt or a tiny majority or were out of power, but it's not relevant here. The only way I can see an off-schedule election is if Johnson steps down and a new leader/PM feels the need for public endorsement. Otherwise it's 2024.

As for what would have to happen for the Conservatives to lose the next election, whenever it is - there would have to be a viable opposition. Which there currently isn't.

As for what the Conservatives would have to do to lose my vote: nothing, they've never had it. As for what Labour would have to do to gain it? Stop being complete absolute fucking piss-taking misogynist homophobic racist eejits. Hope that helps.

They don’t have to do anything. But it’s pretty obvious what Labour have to do, yet they don’t seem capable of doing it.

@Lottapianos

'i voted Tory because having Corbyn and Labour as it was in charge was unthinkable'

I fully get why voting for Labour under Corbyn was not an option. I felt that way myself. But to give your vote to the Tories? That I do not get. Not for a second

And Johnson seems to do no wrong in some people's eyes, despite him being a racist, misogynist, self serving, incompetent, complacent, proven liar. He turns my stomach. I never could see the appeal but now no one can claim they are unaware of what you might politely call his shortcomings

Why is it always the left that list insults like this?

Really annoying.

The country is limping along but at least it is moving. I don’t see any evidence that any other party won’t make things worse.