What do the tories have to do to lose an election ?

[Desmorelda]

There have been suggestions in the press that within the next year Johnson will call a general election what with the infighting going on in the LP and life for many returning to normal.
At the moment the Tories are still garnering a decent percentage of prospective votes in polls. On a recent thread about Angela Rayner's choice language most posters were incensed that the PM had been subjected to such insults and felt that this genuinely made the opposition unelectable, such was
her threat to the moral fabric of the UK. However bad things are, people seem to have short memories at election time. Default vote is for the tories, however fiscally inept they are, despite multiple incidents of cronyism and corruption, dishonesty, documented lying in parliament.
I appreciate other parties are equally as incompetent but in a more bumbling, less cynical way. The Tories on the other hand are tefal plated and are not subjected to the same rigorous moral standards as the lib dems or the LP, both by the press and voters. I find it mystifying as someone not born in this country that people are so complacent and forgiving. So I just wondered how bad do the Tories have to be to lose your vote. Or maybe explain what have they done so well in the last 11 years to deserve your vote ?

Less graphic than the example above but someone said he could throw a baby out of the window at number 10 and people would defend him. How many times have people seen PMQs or Starmer questioning a major fuck up and they reply “oi, as if you’d do better, poor Boris, he’s doing the best he can, leave him alone”.

As far as I can see if Johnson threw a baby out of the window the popular response would be that it wasn't great but then it is tough circumstances and anyway Jeremy Corbyn would've thrown four babies out of that window.

@readwhatiactuallysay

It is so ridiculous that people blame other parties for their vote.

Own your own vote or dont cast it. As you are responsibly for it and the outcome of that vote

You dont have to vote for the tories because labour aren't what you want. You should only vote for the Tories, if you want the tories on power, if you think they are best to run the country, if you dont think that vote for someone else or you are part of the problem.

Its noone elses fault for your vote than you.

This

Labour lost the last election even with the apparently marvellous Jeremy Corbyn because they couldn't make their mind up about Brexit
The last time they won was with Tony Blair what did he have that Keir Starmer is lacking

The last time they won was with Tony Blair what did he have that Keir Starmer is lacking unity

They don’t need to do anything; they are well on the way to destroying this country and STILL all the opposition parties ignore the wide open goal and shamble around hitting themselves on the head.

The tories are entirely predictable-they do whey they say on the tin; it’s up to Labour to find something that appeals to the majority of voters more than jingoistic self interest- and they don’t seem to be able to do it.

Many people are currently voting Tory because they can't see a better alternative.

The Tories will lose only when Labour and the Lib Dems make themselves more electable and when Scottish voters stop voting for the SNP.

I’ve no idea why people think labour would be worse.

Because they seem to have switched to supporting right wing ideology without even noticing.

Fuck knows. I do not understand who is voting for them.

However I'm a dyed in the wool Labour voter from an ex-mining Labour stronghold and even I'm struggling to muster up any enthusiasm for them these days. I can't stand momentum, I think the misogyny in Labour never really went away and it's coming to the fore at the moment and they're showing the country how divided they are at the minute. If they ever came to power it would be at the helm of a very divided country, KS can't even unite his own party.

They're also fighting an up hill battle as the media are desperately trying to turn us into a one party country.

Imo it's not what the tories have to do to become unelectable. It's what do Labour have to do to get back in the game. And I think it's to take stock of what working class, low to middle income earners in this country actually need and then do it!

They don't need to do anything well because everything is spinned by the right wing press in their favour. It's got to the point where it's verging on the anti-democratic.

I agree with previous poster that a lot of voters are around the middle ground.

I certainly won't vote for a party that thinks throwing insults about (both party and vocal supporters) the opposition voters who they should be trying to sway not alienate.

@Tellmesomethinggirl

They don't need to do anything well because everything is spinned by the right wing press in their favour. It's got to the point where it's verging on the anti-democratic.

Even the BBC sometimes feels like a party political broadcast with the lack of challenge for Tory ministers.

They don't need to do anything well because everything is spinned by the right wing press in their favour. It's got to the point where it's verging on the anti-democratic.

The David Lammy quote about ‘rights hoarding dinosaurs’ was in Labour List.

It's not actually that unusual if you look back over the last 60 years or so Labour have been in power much less that the Conservatives

Theres so many reasons. Each area, person, situation will produce a different answer

I live in an exmining town. It's slowly going tory.

People don't like Labour anymore. their views no longer match the views of people here. But one of the big things seems to be that the tories are what they are.

People seem to hate labour's false front about how their leaders like to say they are just like them. When they aren't. It feels like an attempt at manipulation and shows they have no clue what it's like living in these areas. The tories don't, either, but at least they aren't pretending.

The 'what is a woman' isn't something lots of people here are willing to over look. It's generally less woke here, but no one wants a person with a Penis getting changed at the swimming baths in the same room as their daughter. They don't want their teenage daughters playing rugby against a male born player. Especially, since the league rules are that girls and boys over 12 can't play together due to safety.

Its either safe or its not. This issue is concerning alot of people.

These issues impact people, concern people and Labour just don't get it.
Neither party are for the people round here. People don't believe any party will make life better for them. So it's not a choice between who will improve things. Because no one believes either cares.

But they do feel more comfortable because they know what they are getting with the tories.

And simply, no matter how many parties there are it always comes down to Labour or tories.

@NashvilleQueen

The greens addressed their members as 'Men and non-men' a short while ago, so yeah. Not a good option.

Its the media that really decide who wins or loses the election. What we know about the parties and the various politicians is what we're told about them. The stories we hear are the ones they want us to hear.

@Lottapianos

'Why is it always the left that list insults like this?

Really annoying.'

Oh well,what a shame. They're all true though

Immature

@StMarysKettle

Nobody thinks Johnson walks on water. That's the sort of stupid comment that really gets my goat.

I voted Tory because having Corbyn and Labour as it was in charge was unthinkable. I think the Tories did a pretty good job getting the vaccine secured and rolled out and I haven't seen anything at all from Labour to make me think they would have done any better.

Plus I don't like the typical vocal labour supporter with their attitude of "you don't agree with me so you must be wrong and hate poor people."

Like pp said the door is open and Labour can't even walk through it - why would anyone vote for them?

Beautifully put!

Why (I think) people vote Tory & they are still ahead in the polls ….

Euro scepticism/ Brexit - it’s not a new thing. Tories were the only party to show some critical thinking around Europe and appeared to ‘listen’ to voters concerns and issues. Labour just called them all racist thickos. But the concerns of these voters (which they were told were unequivocally wrong) now appear correct. Working class people said that cheap foreign labour was driving down wages and working conditions …… they were absolutely told how wrong/thick/racist they were but now the situation around firstly hospitality workers and now lorry drivers seems to be confirming what they already thought. Wages are going up in both industries due to a shortage of staff and employers can no longer treat them like shit knowing there is an endless supply cos there isn’t. Care workers will be next I think. That’s a lot of people’s lived reality at the moment.

Current shortages ….. a few clicks in any news website tells you that it’s the same around the world. And it’s hardly Armageddon that you can’t get a McDonald’s milkshake! Voters are mainly still grateful to be getting back to some sort of normal. Very few people think that the world essentially shutting for two years wouldn’t have major repercussions so no one is blaming the Tories for anything that has its origins in COVID so it’s providing good ‘cover’ and quite frankly Labour look stupid doing so

The Tory party ask for your vote not your heart and they do not lecture, belittle and insult the very people they need to vote for them. The Tory party is not a cult. They list their policies and ask people to vote for them. Labour list their policies and then tell everyone that doesn’t whole wholeheartedly agree and endorse every word that they are thick, misogynistic, racist, and actually tells them they don’t want their vote. They want to tell you how to think and speak and police it venomously. Even if you think the trans issue is niche, the general outpouring of utter woke nonsense from Labour just puts people off. As PP have said, most people are small ‘c’ conservative so this just pushes them away. And blaming the media just annoys people as it’s basically continuing the rhetoric that people are all so thick that they can’t see the ‘truth’ as laid out by Labour which is kind of ironic. And it’s hard to blame the media when you have actual MPs tweeting their wokeness direct to the world.

Because it’s not a cult, the Tory party changes leaders like socks. There is a bit of political intrigue and then it’s fine. Boris is the first ‘popular’ leader they’ve had in a while so probably a few people did vote for him but mostly people voted for their perception of good policies not the leader who could change any day so boris isn’t the liability he should be. And everyone knows that the minute he becomes one, the Tories will dispatch him effortlessly.

Most people vote for themselves and their families. The Tory party ask voters to vote for what they think is best for themselves and their families and position themselves accordingly. Labour ask voters to vote for what’s best for society and claim they can deliver this utopia. Voters don’t believe them but even if they do, mostly people care more about themselves and their families 🤷‍♀️

I could go on but I won’t mainly because generally the Labour voters that ask this question just launch into a load of whataboutery but that is my opinion.

Oh and I’m an absolute floating voter. I’ve voted Tory, Labour, Lib dem and green so I have no tribal loyalty at all before the usual evil Tory insults pour forth

Effic a pretty good description

@Effic

Why (I think) people vote Tory & they are still ahead in the polls ….

Euro scepticism/ Brexit - it’s not a new thing. Tories were the only party to show some critical thinking around Europe and appeared to ‘listen’ to voters concerns and issues. Labour just called them all racist thickos. But the concerns of these voters (which they were told were unequivocally wrong) now appear correct. Working class people said that cheap foreign labour was driving down wages and working conditions …… they were absolutely told how wrong/thick/racist they were but now the situation around firstly hospitality workers and now lorry drivers seems to be confirming what they already thought. Wages are going up in both industries due to a shortage of staff and employers can no longer treat them like shit knowing there is an endless supply cos there isn’t. Care workers will be next I think. That’s a lot of people’s lived reality at the moment.

Current shortages ….. a few clicks in any news website tells you that it’s the same around the world. And it’s hardly Armageddon that you can’t get a McDonald’s milkshake! Voters are mainly still grateful to be getting back to some sort of normal. Very few people think that the world essentially shutting for two years wouldn’t have major repercussions so no one is blaming the Tories for anything that has its origins in COVID so it’s providing good ‘cover’ and quite frankly Labour look stupid doing so

The Tory party ask for your vote not your heart and they do not lecture, belittle and insult the very people they need to vote for them. The Tory party is not a cult. They list their policies and ask people to vote for them. Labour list their policies and then tell everyone that doesn’t whole wholeheartedly agree and endorse every word that they are thick, misogynistic, racist, and actually tells them they don’t want their vote. They want to tell you how to think and speak and police it venomously. Even if you think the trans issue is niche, the general outpouring of utter woke nonsense from Labour just puts people off. As PP have said, most people are small ‘c’ conservative so this just pushes them away. And blaming the media just annoys people as it’s basically continuing the rhetoric that people are all so thick that they can’t see the ‘truth’ as laid out by Labour which is kind of ironic. And it’s hard to blame the media when you have actual MPs tweeting their wokeness direct to the world.

Because it’s not a cult, the Tory party changes leaders like socks. There is a bit of political intrigue and then it’s fine. Boris is the first ‘popular’ leader they’ve had in a while so probably a few people did vote for him but mostly people voted for their perception of good policies not the leader who could change any day so boris isn’t the liability he should be. And everyone knows that the minute he becomes one, the Tories will dispatch him effortlessly.

Most people vote for themselves and their families. The Tory party ask voters to vote for what they think is best for themselves and their families and position themselves accordingly. Labour ask voters to vote for what’s best for society and claim they can deliver this utopia. Voters don’t believe them but even if they do, mostly people care more about themselves and their families 🤷‍♀️

I could go on but I won’t mainly because generally the Labour voters that ask this question just launch into a load of whataboutery but that is my opinion.

Yep this sums it up perfectly.

I’ve never voted Tory.
Presently I just wouldn’t vote. Many people feel like me which means the Tories will get in because most of their supporters don’t vote with a conscience.
The Tories would have to raise taxes on private pensions, charge for gp appointments and double council tax to even dent their voting position.

When there is a credible opposition party that voters believe to be capable of running a piss-up in a brewery then the tories will go.

I'm not sure we're at that point yet

@Effic

Why (I think) people vote Tory & they are still ahead in the polls ….

Euro scepticism/ Brexit - it’s not a new thing. Tories were the only party to show some critical thinking around Europe and appeared to ‘listen’ to voters concerns and issues. Labour just called them all racist thickos. But the concerns of these voters (which they were told were unequivocally wrong) now appear correct. Working class people said that cheap foreign labour was driving down wages and working conditions …… they were absolutely told how wrong/thick/racist they were but now the situation around firstly hospitality workers and now lorry drivers seems to be confirming what they already thought. Wages are going up in both industries due to a shortage of staff and employers can no longer treat them like shit knowing there is an endless supply cos there isn’t. Care workers will be next I think. That’s a lot of people’s lived reality at the moment.

Current shortages ….. a few clicks in any news website tells you that it’s the same around the world. And it’s hardly Armageddon that you can’t get a McDonald’s milkshake! Voters are mainly still grateful to be getting back to some sort of normal. Very few people think that the world essentially shutting for two years wouldn’t have major repercussions so no one is blaming the Tories for anything that has its origins in COVID so it’s providing good ‘cover’ and quite frankly Labour look stupid doing so

The Tory party ask for your vote not your heart and they do not lecture, belittle and insult the very people they need to vote for them. The Tory party is not a cult. They list their policies and ask people to vote for them. Labour list their policies and then tell everyone that doesn’t whole wholeheartedly agree and endorse every word that they are thick, misogynistic, racist, and actually tells them they don’t want their vote. They want to tell you how to think and speak and police it venomously. Even if you think the trans issue is niche, the general outpouring of utter woke nonsense from Labour just puts people off. As PP have said, most people are small ‘c’ conservative so this just pushes them away. And blaming the media just annoys people as it’s basically continuing the rhetoric that people are all so thick that they can’t see the ‘truth’ as laid out by Labour which is kind of ironic. And it’s hard to blame the media when you have actual MPs tweeting their wokeness direct to the world.

Because it’s not a cult, the Tory party changes leaders like socks. There is a bit of political intrigue and then it’s fine. Boris is the first ‘popular’ leader they’ve had in a while so probably a few people did vote for him but mostly people voted for their perception of good policies not the leader who could change any day so boris isn’t the liability he should be. And everyone knows that the minute he becomes one, the Tories will dispatch him effortlessly.

Most people vote for themselves and their families. The Tory party ask voters to vote for what they think is best for themselves and their families and position themselves accordingly. Labour ask voters to vote for what’s best for society and claim they can deliver this utopia. Voters don’t believe them but even if they do, mostly people care more about themselves and their families 🤷‍♀️

I could go on but I won’t mainly because generally the Labour voters that ask this question just launch into a load of whataboutery but that is my opinion.

Agree with this