Central Park Karen

[CanIPleaseHaveOne]

Did anyone come across this? It is really worth listening to.

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-real-story-of-the-central-park-karen/id1570872415?i=1000530855326

Amy Cooper should have just stayed hiding and hoped people forgot her name.

Oh yes, we are violently agreeing, aren't we?Great choice of words. Calling the police yet?

@HereForThis

Oh yes, we are violently agreeing, aren't we?Great choice of words. Calling the police yet?

It is so telling when people to choose the Amy Cooper hill to die on.

Racist men kill black people, ironically they seem to get much less publicity for this.

I don’t think so? Certainly in mainstream news the names of George floyds male killers was well publicised. I think it’s the opposite actually. We all know men as a class are far more violent and dangerous, we know they are the ones who kill over these things. I’ve never known anyone to protest anything to the contrary. But there is also an issue with white women using their privilege and crocodile tears to their advantage in order to incite hatred, violence and ostracise black people, Hoping to use their status to get someone else to do the dirty work for them. It is manipulative and wrong and isn’t discussed enough.

Completely agree with you there wasn’t enough coverage for Breonna Taylor‘s case though, there should have been. I don’t think any of the officers even faced prison time for her murder which is a huge injustice. The big issue with that case was there was no video evidence, although judging by this thread even video evidence isn’t enough to prove what happened

If Darnella Frazier hadn’t of filmed George floyds murder, it’s unlikely those officers would’ve faced charges either.

@Eorks

They storm in only to defend the name which must not be said. Such a sluuuurrr. Then find excuses for the poor scared white woman. Otherwise, nothing else on the actual issue. If all else fails, you must be told you're being vIOLeNT.

@Eorks

The hilarious thing about this thread is the amount of Karens wanting to call the Internet police

Watch out now! The mods that be may delete your truthful post!

@spicetime I've just realised you might be meaning me - my first line was to you. The rest was not! Sorry about that

For me the most concerning thing isn't one women's racism, wrong though that is.

It is that the belief that the police may interact with the situation in a racist way isn't an inaccurate one.

Amy's racism appears to be so internalized she isn't aware of it and it is underpinned by an actual reality.
That is a significant structural problem.

I'm not really sure what the problem with pointing this out is?

I'm not sure where you get the idea I have any time for Amy? I don't. She is a racist and who wasn't following the clearly laid out rules of the park.

I also don't have any truck with reductive and sexist use of the word Karen.

Or the different standards applied to men and women in acts of violence or discrimination.

@HereForThis
Good. We can use this logic to completely ignore your protest about what's affecting you in favour of what's affecting us. No energy or time left for 'Karen' after fighting the giant that's racism.

+1 to this and I’ve been practicing this for years. Feminism is (supposed to be) intersectional and if you don’t get that by now, you’re being willfully obtuse and prejudiced. But then again, MN feminists are known for being in bed with right wingers in a warped definition of their version of feminism. This thread proves it even more.

@bargelights

She's a racist. She can pretend all she likes that she isn't, but her actions say otherwise. What she did was despicable. And she evidently just wants to pretend she was a victim.🙄 What a thoroughly appalling thing to do.

This. I saw the original video where she threatened to call the police '' on a black man threatening her life '' (all the time advancing towards him as he was telling her to step back) As for those on the thread saying they're not bothering to listen due to the Karen slur? That's what you're focusing on? Seriously?!

@CanIPleaseHaveOne What is your view of the Karen vs racism debate? You seem to have dropped the bomb and left, after bumping it 12 seconds after you posted.....

[quote TopBlogger]@CanIPleaseHaveOne What is your view of the Karen vs racism debate? You seem to have dropped the bomb and left, after bumping it 12 seconds after you posted.....[/quote]
She's obviously Amy or a family member and has disappeared when the thread didn't go quite to plan. Unlucky.

[quote TopBlogger]@CanIPleaseHaveOne What is your view of the Karen vs racism debate? You seem to have dropped the bomb and left, after bumping it 12 seconds after you posted.....[/quote]
I posted early this morning my time but had an unexpected call out, and actually forgot all about posting. I came home an hour ago to 8 pages, and many annoyed people. I am very sorry about that!

I found the podcast interesting because the idea that News Media were leading a witch hunt surprised me. It seems pretty clear clear that she tried to use her racisim to her advantage. But it was not the whole story, and the whole story is what I want when I go to read my newspaper or watch the news on TV. I want anaylsis, reason, and context. Especially in volatile times.

She's obviously Amy or a family member and has disappeared when the thread didn't go quite to plan. Unlucky.

Could not be further from the truth.

I live far away from home in a different time zone. I had to go out this morning after my first post (unexpectedly). I actually forgot about it until I crawled home an hour ago.

However, it is frustrating when someone posts then buggers off I will grant you!

@spicetime

Calling people Karen isn't a neat way of describing behavior. It is at the very least a lazy, sexist way of describing behavior.

If women are being racist then call them out on that directly, we do that with men.

The Emmett Till murder was and still is a very well known case in the USA. His family house is preserved in the area I work in.
It is important to remember that it was men who killed Emmett, as it pretty much always is.
It isn't even believed that the first person to discuss him with the murders was the woman involved in the original exchange.
( this isn't to excuse the lies told in court by the woman)

We need to challenge racism and not buy into male belief systems at the same time, it should be possible.

Men killed Emmet Till... so what? The point was she's malicious like the woman who lied and accused Emmet, not that she's a murderer with her own hands. What a complete straw man on your part. Nobody said she'd actually kill Christian Cooper herself.

She's using her white woman status to punish a black man and is a could racist woman. If this was in days gone, she's the type to get a black person lynched through her lies, and this could've ended as a modern day parody if not for Christian's recording. The end.

Hivis
I’m being honest @Eorks. I think the majority of people fight causes that directly affect them. I can’t fight for everything

Cool. That's why so many black women have distanced themselves from 'feminism'. You care so much about just your rights that you're willing to overlook racism and go with whoever helps your cause.

Asian women too. Haven't got time for these self-professed female liberators who can't see beyond the end of their own noses.

@Hellotoallmyfans

Oh so he's a creep now. Nice. Any other disparaging words you want to throw at a black man

He is a creep. Stalking people walking their dogs in a park, filming and going out of your way to threaten them is absolutely creepy behaviour. Are we not allowed to say he was exhibiting creepy behaviour bc he's black?

I think Amy Cooper is a racist and seems like a very annoying woman. I also think the guy was being a bit weird in a public park. It's really not normal behaviour to do that. He seemed to be going out of his way to cause trouble with people.

It is worse to be racist yes, but that doesn't take away the fact he was acting like a creep. We can say both things. He wasn't innocent in this incident but it seems she overreacted.

It seems her mistake was using the words "African American". If she'd just said "a man" none of this would've happened to her and the guy would probably have received a warning to not follow people around in the park - she fucked up 🤷‍♀️ (Ironically HE is a massive Karen, taking it upon himself to follow people around a public park, vigilante style, complaining that people are dog walking in the wrong place!) surely that's the definition of a Karen? Being a busybody?

More upset that a black man films himself as a deafness, than a crazed woman making wild accusations about him; lunging at him; choking her dog and whatever else she did to warrant a confrontation in the first place- right.

She's using her white woman status to punish a black man and is a could racist woman. If this was in days gone, she's the type to get a black person lynched through her lies

So true. Despicable woman, and heartbreaking that some places/ people haven't progressed

Not changed my mind just reinforced what I though before she is racist

Being called a Karen won’t hold you back it won’t stop you getting prompted the list goes on …

It’s that the term isn’t just sexist (wrong of course) it’s informs you others see you as entitled that is what bothers so many

A few years ago MN would erupt over white privilege too so many were outraged by this now it’s Karen

It hits a nerve and it’s not just about sexism

It hits a nerve and it’s not just about sexism

So true. They find it so uncomfortable to confront their white privilege

@Makhiaman

There’s a reason the likes of Amy Cooper felt able to behave the way she did and it’s because of the people demonstrated here. Who think defending her against a mean name is worth more discussion than her actual racist actions. Vile and I’m so glad the majority of the public aren’t like this, that they saw her for exactly what she was and she was held accountable for her actions.

Exactly!!!

It is that the belief that the police may interact with the situation in a racist way isn't an inaccurate one.

Ultimately systematic racism assumes white superiority not just institutionally but also individually.

Someone like AC might not believe herself to be racist, but when you (consciously or unconsciously) seek to benefit from institutional racism you are fundamentally "feeding the machine".

Institutions are ideologically captured by individuals who will general seek to maintain an environment that's to their personal benefit.

Its only fairly recently (wrt mobile phones) that the extent of this individual bias is being held to account.

Yes, AC is just one person but there are many like her.

They have power in who they vote for, the way they behave in their professional life etc etc.

There was in interesting study done in the US where the same CV's (from black Americans) were presented for a job opportunity but one set had typical white names, the other black.

Only 10% got an interview with their own name, but 25% when they were "whitewashed".

Whose hiring the police in the US? In the wider workplace? Where does the power reside?

In the individual and the collective ideology they promote by virtue of their day to day choices and interactions.

There’s a reason the likes of Amy Cooper felt able to behave the way she did and it’s because of the people demonstrated here. Who think defending her against a mean name is worth more discussion than her actual racist actions
Vile and I’m so glad the majority of the public aren’t like this, that they saw her for exactly what she was and she was held accountable for her actions

Absolutely agree.

I'm certainly not suggesting the woman in the Emmett Till case was blameless, she lied in court.
But my understanding is that she did not at first disclose the event regarding Emmett Till to those who went on to torture and kill him.

When the women's husband was arrested she certainly worked with the defense team to create a false narrative so her husband and cousin (?) were acquitted.

However in the narrative of the the lynching she had little to no part. Another person told her husband about the encounter, when he heard about it he questioned other men to establish why this person was and where they were staying.

It is noted in the records that the woman involved had not mentioned Emmett to her husband fearing trouble.
I would hazard a guess this was more to protect her husband from himself than to protect Emmett.

History is vital but it needs to be accurate, or as accurate as your sources at any particular time are.

As I mentioned I work in the same area that Emmett lived, his real story is an important one.

@Eorks

Hi Amy Thanks for your post. Could you summarise the podcast because let's face it who is going to listen to a 1 hr 20 podcast about this? It's very American and dramatic.

I find it hard to believe that there is a perfectly innocent explanation to your behaviour on that day, which was the same day George Floyd died, but you have sat on it for a year and instead went into hiding.

I'm guessing you've employed a PR team to try and get you out of this fix? I'm guessing your interviewer was black too to make it seem more plausible?

Anyway, please do summarise and I will let you know my thoughts.

PS I think the Karen thing has complicated matters and you will get people on here focussing on that instead, which is a bad move. Or maybe the PR people did that on purpose because they're hoping you'll get the feminists on board.

Haha, I was right, the interviewer was black. 🤣🤣🤣