Central Park Karen

[CanIPleaseHaveOne]

Did anyone come across this? It is really worth listening to.

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-real-story-of-the-central-park-karen/id1570872415?i=1000530855326

What I am taking from this podcast is that the court mandated therapy Amy Cooper undertook is not fit for purpose @CanIPleaseHaveOne. Amy Cooper is still an entitled racist.

How he behaved is irrelevant here. AC's phone call put this man's life in danger and I can't believe she didn't know that. And the threat was entirely based on the fact that she is a white woman and he is a black man, otherwise that call to the police wouldn't have been the threat it was.

People who let their dogs rampage through nests, killing chicks and breaking eggs are dicks @FrippEnos.

@TooBigForMyBoots

People who let their dogs rampage through nests, killing chicks and breaking eggs are dicks *@FrippEnos*.

yes they are.

Well done.

Playing dumb? Is there a way you can post without resorting to personal attacks, please?

So how is Christian Cooper being a dick by preventing this destruction @FrippEnos?

@TooBigForMyBoots

So how is Christian Cooper being a dick by preventing this destruction *@FrippEnos*?

I have already said why I think CC is being a dick.

It has nothing to do with him trying to prevent this destruction.

@TooBigForMyBoots

The dog on the lead bit is very important in this case. Christian Cooper is not a busybody. He is a director of NYC Aubudon (US equivalent of RSPB) and his campaigning helped to get that part of Central Park declared a bird conservation area where dogs must be on leads. He had every right to ask dog owners to obey the rules.

Absolutely right, although even if he wasn't, he's still not a busybody. I give up explaining to some people, they'll die on the hill of defending a racist white woman, they won't take any notice of facts

@TooBigForMyBoots

The dog on the lead bit is very important in this case. Christian Cooper is not a busybody. He is a director of NYC Aubudon (US equivalent of RSPB) and his campaigning helped to get that part of Central Park declared a bird conservation area where dogs must be on leads. He had every right to ask dog owners to obey the rules.

I remember this story when it happened and I don't remember anyone making a big deal about his job role. It's a shame because it explains a lot about why he was offended by dogs off leads and why he felt the need to say something.

I give up explaining to some people, they'll die on the hill of defending a racist white woman, they won't take any notice of facts

Sadly, I think you're right. These discussions always end up the same way. We usually see a variation of "But what happened before the camera was turned on?" or "What did Person A do to make Person B react that way?" People are desperate to absolve racists of their racism.

Anyone can see what was going on in the Central Park incident. An entitled racist woman who wanted to flout the rules of the park was infuriated when someone (a black man) called her on it. If she had just put a lead on her dog as she should have, preferably with an apology, it would have been a non-event. But she refused and charged up to Christian Cooper in an aggressive manner. And then she lied to the 911 operator about what had happened, relying on her white privilege to escalate the situation into a potentially dangerous encounter. But some people still want to blame Christian Cooper and pretend that he is somehow the one at fault. Very sad that in 2021 racism runs so deep.

@bargelights

I give up explaining to some people, they'll die on the hill of defending a racist white woman, they won't take any notice of facts

Sadly, I think you're right. These discussions always end up the same way. We usually see a variation of "But what happened before the camera was turned on?" or "What did Person A do to make Person B react that way?" People are desperate to absolve racists of their racism.

Anyone can see what was going on in the Central Park incident. An entitled racist woman who wanted to flout the rules of the park was infuriated when someone (a black man) called her on it. If she had just put a lead on her dog as she should have, preferably with an apology, it would have been a non-event. But she refused and charged up to Christian Cooper in an aggressive manner. And then she lied to the 911 operator about what had happened, relying on her white privilege to escalate the situation into a potentially dangerous encounter. But some people still want to blame Christian Cooper and pretend that he is somehow the one at fault. Very sad that in 2021 racism runs so deep.

Yep. We've even had "he shouldn't be filming" on this thread. Madness.

I have already said why I think CC is being a dick.

Yes you did @FrippEnos, you explained it here: He has said that he takes treats with him to wind up dog owners that don't keep dogs on a lead. He did not say that at all.

The Amy Cooper is an entitled racist who weaponized her white woman tears against Christian Cooper in Central Park last year. She continues to do it this year with her nasty slurs.

Christian Cooper is a law abiding bloke who contributes to society.

And she was aware that he does this ? No her problem was a black man telling her to follow the rules.

Irrelevant what he has done other times he wasn’t being a dick at the time

@bargelights

I give up explaining to some people, they'll die on the hill of defending a racist white woman, they won't take any notice of facts

Sadly, I think you're right. These discussions always end up the same way. We usually see a variation of "But what happened before the camera was turned on?" or "What did Person A do to make Person B react that way?" People are desperate to absolve racists of their racism.

Anyone can see what was going on in the Central Park incident. An entitled racist woman who wanted to flout the rules of the park was infuriated when someone (a black man) called her on it. If she had just put a lead on her dog as she should have, preferably with an apology, it would have been a non-event. But she refused and charged up to Christian Cooper in an aggressive manner. And then she lied to the 911 operator about what had happened, relying on her white privilege to escalate the situation into a potentially dangerous encounter. But some people still want to blame Christian Cooper and pretend that he is somehow the one at fault. Very sad that in 2021 racism runs so deep.

This. The racism being exhibited on this thread is glaring. Too many willing to make excuses for that woman and her nasty, dangerous phone call.

Well done you guys for continuing to try to reason with the racists. I have no time for that and tbh have no time to talk to white people about race. We have the pretend black person on here calling the victim a dick. If a woman was raped there would be an outcry if anyone tried to say she was a dick so they were both in the wrong

Let's just leave it and let this pathetic thread die. Amy Cooper is a racist and I'm so happy she is in hiding and her life is ruined. Fuck her.

@Eorks

Well done you guys for continuing to try to reason with the racists. I have no time for that and tbh have no time to talk to white people about race. We have the pretend black person on here calling the victim a dick. If a woman was raped there would be an outcry if anyone tried to say she was a dick so they were both in the wrong

Let's just leave it and let this pathetic thread die. Amy Cooper is a racist and I'm so happy she is in hiding and her life is ruined. Fuck her.

To be fair I think there are very few people on this thread supporting AC.

You also need to remember the lurkers.

There are a lot of people who watch threads like these but feel unable to contribute.

But they read and consider what's posted.

It's always (regardless of the topic) worth remembering that you're speaking to people beyond those participating on the thread and how your posts support your cause or detract from it.

When someone on here mentions cutting a hedge/tree during nesting season then they are swiftly told that they/the person doing it should be reported. How terrible it is etc.

CC asks AC to put the dog on a lead to protect the ground nesting birds and gets called a busybody.

@slashlover

When someone on here mentions cutting a hedge/tree during nesting season then they are swiftly told that they/the person doing it should be reported. How terrible it is etc.

CC asks AC to put the dog on a lead to protect the ground nesting birds and gets called a busybody.

Qwhite interesting, isn't it? 🤔

@DeRigueurMortis

What is your point though? That we should keep arguing with the racists so we might educate some lurkers?

[quote Eorks]@DeRigueurMortis

What is your point though? That we should keep arguing with the racists so we might educate some lurkers?[/quote]

Yes, exactly that.

Perhaps a solution for those who find 'Karen' offensive would be to call these people a 'Keran' instead. Then we could continue having a word to describe this particular type of entitled white woman without implicating people called Karen.

Did anyone who was willing to listen to over an hour of this podcast ever summarise what the supposed "new spin" was? On the thread?

I listened to it yesterday because I was on a long drive.

It said that Christian Cooper admitted to carrying dog treats to attract dogs so he could reprimand dog owners. Also that he told Amy Cooper that he would do something to her 'that she wouldn't like' - apparently he posted all this on social media before it all blew up. He'd also talked about taking vigilante type action at a local council meeting the day before.

The incident happened in a remote section of the park. It seemed to gloss over the fact that many women would feel uneasy about a man of any race approaching them in an area when there was no-one else around. They said 'what if the situation was reversed and a black woman was challenging white male dog walkers' but then almost no men will fear being assaulted by women they don't know who talk to them in remote areas.

It also played the recording of the 911 call, and the reason why she kept repeating the 'I'm being threatened by an African American man' over and over was that the signal was poor and the operator was just repeatedly saying she couldn't be heard.

It may seem unnecessary to mention the man's race, but if her experience of calling the emergency services is anything like the time when I called 999 because there was a person standing on top of the mulitstorey car park that I was returning to, looking like they were about to throw themselves off, they basically wouldn't talk to me until I had told them whether this person was 'black white or Asian' and the fact that I could only see their feet and jeans clad legs several floors above me, so had no idea wasn't accepted and they basically couldn't/wouldn't progress the call. I put the phone down on them in the end, PCSOs had turned up anyway.

I'm not saying that Amy Cooper isn't racist but what did seem to be clear was that there was a lot more to the story than the twitter snapshot that blew up and the affect on Amy Cooper (death threats, loss of home, dog and job) is wildly out of proportion.

@BarbaraofSeville

I listened to it yesterday because I was on a long drive.

It said that Christian Cooper admitted to carrying dog treats to attract dogs so he could reprimand dog owners. Also that he told Amy Cooper that he would do something to her 'that she wouldn't like' - apparently he posted all this on social media before it all blew up. He'd also talked about taking vigilante type action at a local council meeting the day before.

The incident happened in a remote section of the park. It seemed to gloss over the fact that many women would feel uneasy about a man of any race approaching them in an area when there was no-one else around. They said 'what if the situation was reversed and a black woman was challenging white male dog walkers' but then almost no men will fear being assaulted by women they don't know who talk to them in remote areas.

It also played the recording of the 911 call, and the reason why she kept repeating the 'I'm being threatened by an African American man' over and over was that the signal was poor and the operator was just repeatedly saying she couldn't be heard.

It may seem unnecessary to mention the man's race, but if her experience of calling the emergency services is anything like the time when I called 999 because there was a person standing on top of the mulitstorey car park that I was returning to, looking like they were about to throw themselves off, they basically wouldn't talk to me until I had told them whether this person was 'black white or Asian' and the fact that I could only see their feet and jeans clad legs several floors above me, so had no idea wasn't accepted and they basically couldn't/wouldn't progress the call. I put the phone down on them in the end, PCSOs had turned up anyway.

I'm not saying that Amy Cooper isn't racist but what did seem to be clear was that there was a lot more to the story than the twitter snapshot that blew up and the affect on Amy Cooper (death threats, loss of home, dog and job) is wildly out of proportion.

"The incident happened in a remote section of the park. It seemed to gloss over the fact that many women would feel uneasy about a man of any race approaching them in an area when there was no-one else around."

Remote or not, the incident should have gone:
"Can you put your dog on a lead in this area please?"
"Oh yeah sure, sorry"
Dog on lead, Amy walks away, keeps her job, doesn't get death threats, doesn't scream that a black man is threatening her, she doesn't strangle the dog etc etc etc.

In fact... what should have happened is Amy Cooper saw the signs that said dogs should be on their leads and put her dog on a lead. The two wouldn't have even interacted.

So Amy Cooper can bugger off with her justifications and her bullshit. She got caught doing what she shouldn't, didn't like the fact the guy was black, used his skin colour against him.

"I'm going to call the police and tell them that an African American Man is threatening me" he wasn't, he was asking her to put her dog on a lead... As is the rules of that area of the park...

Yeah she told him before she even made the call that she would call the police and tell them ‘an AFRICAN AMERICAN man is threatening my life’.

Likewise a scared woman doesn’t get closer to antagonise the person she’s scared off. She felt powerful here, not scared.

He told her not to come close to him, she is the one that came towards him. She’s not a poor little white woman all scared in the woods because of the mean black man. She’s a racist coward.