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Central Park Karen

310 replies

CanIPleaseHaveOne · 23/08/2021 14:42

Did anyone come across this? It is really worth listening to.

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-real-story-of-the-central-park-karen/id1570872415?i=1000530855326

OP posts:
Collectires · 24/08/2021 12:51

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Yes the slur ‘Karen’ is sooo oppressive and offensive, but the racism is forgivable as long as you have a really good sob story hmm

Could you link to the post where this was said?

Did you miss @aerosocks Post yesterday? The one where she said that using the term Karen in a threat title is the same as calling someone a n or a p**? (The asterisks are mine by the way, not hers).
HereForThis · 24/08/2021 12:55

Why are you questioning if he blocked her way? why do you assume he did something wrong?

He must have, innit. Afterall, he's a man and she's a woman. On top of that, he's a black man and she's a white woman. Double whammy.

Without the footage that some people clearly didn't want to exist, he would have been questioned, accused of and called all sorts, so much more than he's already been called, even given the video evidence.

Why2why · 24/08/2021 13:03

Does anyone believe that you can change the mind of a committed bigot? I don’t think so. So explaining over and over is a waste of time.

The video is clear and AC’s intentions are clear. All these excuses for her and this outrage about the use of the word Karen but not even an equal outrage about the racist behaviour are not worth engaging with. That a person ties their opposition to racism to whether or not people use the term Karen should be seen for what they are.

MissyB1 · 24/08/2021 13:25

@TooBigForMyBoots

She didn't put her dog on a lead because she's an entitled racist. I get it *@MissyB1*, you would not have put your dog on a lead (despite the fact that it was required as it is a ground nesting bird sanctuary) because you are simply "entitled".🤷‍♀️
The dog on or off lead debate is probably for another thread. 😜
MissyB1 · 24/08/2021 13:28

@HereForThis

Yeah she shouldn’t have wasted her time getting into an argument with him, all this shit could have been avoided. Life is too short. I give busybodies a big swerve.

Nothing on what she did then? I'm sure you'd have had more to say had he been the one coming closer or if he blocked her way, like you "asked". A pp answered you and from the answer, you get that "He's a busybody".

Right. And she's a ??

I said she might well be as racist as fuck (she certainly made herself sound it), doesn’t stop him being a busybody that likes to police a park and dictate to other park users. Both facts can be true at the same time.
Suzi888 · 24/08/2021 13:31

@PalmarisLongus

“I am going to call the police and tell them an African American male is threatening me”

He wasnt, he was stood there.
If he had been white and stood there, she would not have said,

“I am going to call the police and tell them a white male is threatening me”

This^ She’s an idiot and I thought the aggressor. You don’t go charging up to someone you are afraid of fgs. He wasn’t bloody doing anything. She put me on edge, I thought she was going to hurt him.
TooBigForMyBoots · 24/08/2021 13:33

The dog on the lead bit is very important in this case. Christian Cooper is not a busybodyHmm. He is a director of NYC Aubudon (US equivalent of RSPB) and his campaigning helped to get that part of Central Park declared a bird conservation area where dogs must be on leads. He had every right to ask dog owners to obey the rules.

MolyHolyGuacamole · 24/08/2021 13:39

doesn’t stop him being a busybody that likes to police a park and dictate to others* remind park users* what the rules are.

When I go to the dog free area of the park I sure as hell would tell someone to
please remove their dog. But I never have to as most people don't have the level of entitlement as she does.

Makhiaman · 24/08/2021 13:54

So Amy Cooper may well be a racist, but he is a busybody?

Which one angers you more?

OhWhyNot · 24/08/2021 14:08

She got into an argument with him because she felt it wasn’t his place being a black man to remind her that her dog should be on a lead

She wanted to argue with him to remind him of his place and that is not equal to her that’s why she was so angry

But of course that wasn’t said out loud so easily dismissed that it was anger and her feelings threatened that led to her outburst as obviously (for some on her) it’s for her to decide if she was being racist or not he couldn’t possibly know

PalmarisLongus · 24/08/2021 14:13

Isn't it weird that "Busybody" is often just someone reminding an entitled person of behaviour they should be displaying.

I don't know why some feel that the societal norms don't apply to then, like they must be above everyone else, but it's very telling when they eventually get questioned on it and react very badly... Like a child being told not to draw on the walls, tantrum ensues and foot stomps .

"But I wannnaaaa.....!!"

HereForThis · 24/08/2021 14:33

I said she might well be as racist as fuck (she certainly made herself sound it), doesn’t stop him being a busybody that likes to police a park and dictate to other park users. Both facts can be true at the same time.

Still can't bring yourself to state it as soundly as you state what you know think he is.

"She might as well be racist"
"Certainly made herself sound it."
On the other hand, "He is a busybody that likes to police a park and dictate to other park users".

Let's switch it, shall we?
"He might as well be trying to police others.
There's no evidence to that but he certainly probably perhaps made himself look like it. (Can you see me twisting myself in knots trying not to make a direct statement).

On the other hand, she is as 'racist as fuck' and it doesn't stop her from weaponsing her tears as a white woman against black people wherever she goes. (And here I am making clear direct judgements and concluding what she must be doing to others).

How's that?

OhWhyNot · 24/08/2021 14:41

If it quacks like a duck …

She acted like a racist person = she is racist

Not difficult to understand if you want to

FrippEnos · 24/08/2021 15:22

TooBigForMyBoots

He had every right to ask dog owners to obey the rules.

If that was all he was doing he wouldn't be a dick.

She is a racist
He is a dick.

Neither wanted to de-escalate the situation, both of them ramped it up.

DeRigueurMortis · 24/08/2021 15:27

This encounter happened because AC was flouting the rules in having her dog off lead.

CC says she refused to leash her dog when asked (he claims she said he needs his exercise) and she denies this saying she was about to put the dog on a lead just before he started filming.

She said he was aggressive and he denies that.

They both agree that he said words to the effect that "your not going to like what I do next" and then got out the dog treats.

Let's think about that.

Why would CC have got out the treats unless she'd refused to leash the dog or had made moves to do so?

There's no explanation that fits other than AC had refused to to leash her dog.

So if this part of her narrative isn't plausible I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of everything she said prior to the filming starting.

I would at this point add that I think CC luring dogs away from owners with treats was not a good idea, even if his motive in protecting wildlife was admirable. That however did not warrant AC's response.

Moving to the start of film all she cares about is being filmed. She's aggressive and keeps moving towards this man she claims was threatening.

ALL she needed to do was leash the dog and walk away then there would have been nothing too film. If she had leashed then dog when first asked the filming wouldn't have been necessary.

She repeatedly escalated an encounter of her own creation and then weaponised his race against him.

On the last thread, much was made of CC being "wrong" in approaching a lone woman and he should have predicted she might escalate, especially when he handed out the treats.

CC has admitted he's used the treats on other dog owners not following the rules (male/female black/white).

Irrespective of whether the treats were an appropriate response to "leash refusers" the argument that he should modify his behaviour to appease possible escalation from a white woman goes to the heart of racism.

Racism is founded on the very notion that the colour of your skin dictates behaviours, actions, expectations and consequences that would not apply to someone white.

CC shouldn't have to have behave any differently to AC than anyone else.

Suggesting he should isn't a feminist issue in the sense that if AC had been black then the outcome would have been different because a black woman would not have reacted as AC did. This didn't happen because AC was a woman. It happened because she was a white woman.

Arguing otherwise is simply agreeing that white woman can legitimately weaponise race if they feel scared/aggrieved or any other emotion at a level of "threat" that's in their sole discretion to determine - and if you agree with that then you're part of the reason why systemic racism is still sadly so prevalent.

MolyHolyGuacamole · 24/08/2021 15:28

@OhWhyNot

She got into an argument with him because she felt it wasn’t his place being a black man to remind her that her dog should be on a lead

She wanted to argue with him to remind him of his place and that is not equal to her that’s why she was so angry

But of course that wasn’t said out loud so easily dismissed that it was anger and her feelings threatened that led to her outburst as obviously (for some on her) it’s for her to decide if she was being racist or not he couldn’t possibly know

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
OhWhyNot · 24/08/2021 15:29

If someone is being a dick to me (I don’t think he was) I might be a dick back

I don’t use racist terms (which is far worse) because I’m not racist

What is the reasoning he was being a dick. Did this make her racist ?

VladmirsPoutine · 24/08/2021 15:32

Women like AC are actually a lot more dangerous than the out and out KKK n-word using racists.

FrippEnos · 24/08/2021 15:35

OhWhyNot

What is the reasoning he was being a dick.

He has said that he takes treats with him to wind up dog owners that don't keep dogs on a lead.

Those not keeping dogs on a lead (in this case are dicks)
He is being a dick in doing something that winds them up.

Did this make her racist ?

She was already racist.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/08/2021 15:37

If that was all he was doing he wouldn't be a dick.

That is what he did. And she refused to leash her dog.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/08/2021 15:39

He has said that he takes treats with him to wind up dog owners that don't keep dogs on a lead.

No he did not say that he took treats to wind up dog owners.Shock He has said that he takes treats because it makes the people who refuse to leash their dog, leash it.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 24/08/2021 15:40

Did you miss @aerosocks Post yesterday? The one where she said that using the term Karen in a threat title is the same as calling someone a n* or a p*? (The asterisks are mine by the way, not hers).

All you found is one deleted post?

No, I have not seen it, but from what I understand from your post it doesn't say that racism is forgivable, it says that all these names are not acceptable.

DeRigueurMortis · 24/08/2021 15:43

Yes he comes across as a real dick Hmm

MolyHolyGuacamole · 24/08/2021 15:48

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Did you miss @aerosocks Post yesterday? The one where she said that using the term Karen in a threat title is the same as calling someone a n* or a p*? (The asterisks are mine by the way, not hers).

All you found is one deleted post?

No, I have not seen it, but from what I understand from your post it doesn't say that racism is forgivable, it says that all these names are not acceptable.

Oh don't play dumb. A person does not have to say the actual words 'racism is forgivable' to convey that message, just as AC doesn't have to say 'I'm a racist' in order to be one.

Many comments in this thread are rife with the sentiment. Someone reduced the whole thing to 'that altercation' but clearly stated what a slur Karen is 🙄

FrippEnos · 24/08/2021 15:53

@TooBigForMyBoots

He has said that he takes treats with him to wind up dog owners that don't keep dogs on a lead.

No he did not say that he took treats to wind up dog owners.Shock He has said that he takes treats because it makes the people who refuse to leash their dog, leash it.

Well at least we can agree that she is a racist.

We will have to disagree on him being a dick.

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