Prince Andrew sued by Virginia Roberts ll

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Continued from previous thread

@chaosrabbitland

i have read about the case , it doesnt make me believe her story , i dont believe she was a miserable terrified ,sex slave trapped and imprisoned , unable to call for help or get out somehow .

Then why are you promoting the false narrative the PA is the only bloke Virginia has accused?
If you've read about the case you know that isn't true so why are you lying?
Also where is this book she's written that you keep mentioning?

@Roussette
Tominey's approach is bizarrely tone deaf. It was written in December 2020 in the Telegraph. I repeat it because I remain incredulous and appalled.

In December 2020 no legal paper work was yet filed and it was business as usual ignoring all of PA's activities.

I know I am a bit of a broken record on this but a senior Telegraph journalist called a CSA and trafficking victim a prostitute in a respectable broadsheet in order to protect PA in December 2020.

Virginia is a victim and was a child at the time of being abused by multiple educated, influential, wealthy middle aged men. Our media is prepared to throw mud at and discredit child victims for PA of all people.

PA has not been convicted - true. But the social progress and lessons learned about CSA have been thrown aside to protect him. This is an active choice. Why does the media do this? Why must we pretend that we cannot see how harmful this is for all victims?

@nottodaybatman
Please carry on being a broken record!

CT is an appalling individual, and yes why should victims of CSA be labelled like this? It's the default option to protect someone like PA and it is despicable.
No wonder rape convictions are so miniscule.

And now we're hearing on this thread victims of trafficking should just 'ring someone'.

A lot of people once believed the story of someone called Nick and claimed there was evidence.

I think there's a lot more to come out as a result of this. At best PA has demonstrated extreme poor judgement re his friendship circle (a Maxwell, I ask you), at worst he had sex with a above the age of consent who consented. It's pretty dire all round but it isn't about children, it isn't about rape and it isn't about keeping anyone in poverty or threatening their relatives which are all things that really go on in sex trafficking.

Well.... if Epstein hadn't killed himself, he was on charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy.
And Maxwell is facing sex trafficking conspiracy charges.
So, you are not right.

The point is Camilla is one of many willing in the british media to take this position and amplify it and give it legitimacy on behalf of the RF.

The racism and victim blaming from the royal reporters is really noticeable because it is so off compared to coverage of other stories.
The media is not perfect and important popular people are often given the benefit of the doubt - PA is not one of those people. Yet he has been teflon since Epstein's activities became public more than 15 years ago.
We have now reached the stage where child trafficking victims are being publicly attacked and vilified to protect the RF. I would get rid of the institution for this alone personally. It is utterly shameful.
What about the victims?

Trafficking victims cannot consent so it is rape.
A person below 18 is a child
A child under 18 cannot consent to sex in New York, which is one of the locations that Virginia said she was raped.

Virginia was a child. A vulnerable child.

Consent?

Her legal claim alleges she “was compelled by express or implied threats by Epstein, [Ghislaine] Maxwell, and/or Prince Andrew to engage in sexual acts with Prince Andrew, and feared death or physical injury to herself or another and other repercussions for disobeying Epstein, Maxwell, and Prince Andrew due to their powerful connections, wealth and authority”.

One could say, taking into account the young lady's provenance that she did jolly well not to become a drug addicted hooker on a downward spiral to death or jail.

And?

We need to await the result of Maxwell's hearing and stop prejudging.

'We'' don't need to that, you can if you like.
And the Maxwell case is seperate from this one.

Do we?

Who says? What if there is quietly a payout to VG by the RF to stop any adverse publicity about PA... do we still have to wait till then?

One has to question why the RF haven't paid her off already.

No thank you postmen. I will keep on talking about this and anything else that takes my fancy.
You do you.

@PostMenPatWithACat

One has to question why the RF haven't paid her off already.

Perhaps because she wants to see him brought to justice and won’t allow anyone to buy her off. Some people have wider concerns than money.

exactly Blossom. And what she has always said, she is highlighting this for all the other victims.

I've just been reading about the most recent charges brought on Maxwell... to say I'm shocked is an understatement.
A 14 year old girl groomed by her.

Just a snippet...

"The indictment alleges that “minor victim-4” was “recruited to provide Epstein with sexualized massages” that he or his associates – including Maxwell – paid for.

Maxwell allegedly met “minor victim-4” at Epstein’s south Florida home around 2001, when the girl was around 14-years-old, and “interacted with [her] on multiple occasions”, according to court papers.

During their interactions, which happened from 2001 to 2004, Maxwell allegedly “groomed minor victim – 4 to engage in sexual acts with Epstein through multiple means.”

Maxwell did so by asking “minor victim-4” about her family and life. She “also sought to normalize inappropriate and abusive conduct by, among other things, discussing sexual topics in front of minor victim-4 and being present when minor victim-4 was nude in the massage room of the Palm Beach residence,” according to the court documents"

FOURTEEN

Bloody hell @Roussette that's grim. And people think we should stop talking about this? Absolutely not! This goes beyond trivial matters like Harry vs William or Meghan dating to sneeze in public or whatever it is that people get worked up about these days. Serious crimes have been committed here.

*daring

@KillingMeDeftly

It is grim. And it isn't a journo's take on something, this is extracts from court papers.

And yet... we still have people come on here and say 'why didn't they call someone or summon help'.
I have daughters, I know how immature they were at 14, but they had a stable home life. Maxwell trawled schools and trailer parks specifically looking for those that didn't, and were vulnerable and poor.

Yet Prince Andrew's friend of decades is the one accused of this, and he carried on his friendship with Epstein after his conviction and only halted it when the heat was on. And live on tv, said he didn't regret the friendship.

Exactly the victims should be the priority.

This is Rotherham with private jets.

We know a lot more about grooming, we know what CSA means and is and yet our media in the case of PA starts behaving like they got stuck in a time warp from the 1960s.

This isn't just about Virginia or the little girl Roussette mentioned. It's about all the victims worried about coming forward because they see what Virginia is going through, as an older woman with good legal and family support. It makes the progress and the bravery of all prior victims who have held their abusers to account ring hollow when the our media gleefully throw mud at Virginia.

Protecting PA is not a neutral act, it is not a one off and we are paying for it.

It makes the progress and the bravery of all prior victims who have held their abusers to account ring hollow when the our media gleefully throw mud at Virginia

Exactly. This with knobs on.

As VG said "The powerful and the rich are not exempt from being held responsible for their actions"

She is fighting for all the victims who were denied their justice when Epstein took the cowards way out.

And this....

Eighteen months ago US Attorney Geoffrey Berman claimed the prince had provided 'zero' co-operation over the Epstein inquiry.

"Prince Andrew and his counsel have also refused to cooperate with counsel for the victims of Epstein’s sex trafficking," the lawsuit alleges. "Andrew and his representatives have rejected all such requests, and responded by escalating their vile and baseless attacks on [the] Plaintiff and others."

Worth a read... article today

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/20/prince-andrew-reputation-damaged-for-ever-by-virginia-roberts-giuffre-claims-experts

Some people are conflating what PA did with what Epstein did, or Maxwell.

We have no idea whether he knew she was groomed, or her age at the time. Rich people wanted to curry favour and gain influence by introducing a powerful man to a pretty girl- a story as old as time.

It is distasteful that a middle aged man had alleged sex with a 17 year old girl, but would not be illegal in the UK.

PA has always been lecherous and amoral, but a lot of people want him to take the fall for Epstein.

Let’s see her evidence and his defence, before prejudging.

And, as for dragging the queen into it, of course the Head of State does not follow the same laws as anyone else- by definition, she is above them. Fortunately, she has always acted with integrity, as opposed to Cheney and his interpretation of the Unitary Executive.

He wasn't in the UK though.
That's a pretty poor excuse.

He won't be taking the fall for Epstein. I just provide links and info on Maxwell and Epstein because it's all intertwined quite obviously.