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I want to kick DS out TODAY? Totally devastated by what he’s been saying about us.

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FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 16:01

Sorry this is really long but I feel so betrayed and devastated and furious!

This lunchtime as I was sitting on the sofa I noticed a phone on the other arm of it, assumed it was DH’s as he’s off today but noticed the screen was open on what looked like a long message rather than being black and locked. I thought was odd so picked it up out of curiosity.

It was actually DS’s (19) phone, they both have Samsung phones. His phone obviously had been set not to time out.

He had been in a convo with his best friend about moving out, as he’s going to University in September, which apparently he’s desperate to do as we are very abusive to him and exploiting him for money (this was his friend saying this!).

His friend was advising him that he should contact the Uni to ask what help there is for students estranged from abusive parents and said ‘they even hit you man, that’s a crime, you could call the police on them’.

We also never support him and make him feel like shit about himself apparently.

We had have major issues with DS for many years due to extreme laziness and screen addiction. He is also very arrogant and argumentative, knows everything and is always right and other the last few years has become very aggressive and shouty when asked to do anything/called out on his behaviour, even with his younger brother.

We used to get constant calls from school about him not doing homework (even about falling asleep in class) and during his GCSE’s about him not completing coursework. He did much worse than expected but managed to get enough to do his A levels which he wanted to do. I actually tried to dissuade him from doing them as I knew it would be a nightmare to keep him focused after the stress of his GCSE’s but he insisted he wanted to do them and promised he would work hard.

We found out mid way through the course that he was flunking them and his tutor didn’t think it worth him continuing as he was constantly on his phone in class and not doing the work. So a whole year wasted.

Then he decided he wanted to do a BTEC about something he was passionate about so we supported him in that but again I constantly had to get him up in the morning, he was slow to finish his work and wasn’t handing stuff in on time. I had calls just before he was due to finish with concerns he was forecast for a Pass when he needed a Merit to get into Uni and that he hadn’t bothered to attend his English GCSE resit as he’d overslept! Lots of stress at home about this and constantly being on his back about doing the work. Still there were many times he didn’t even bother to go in and I’m amazed he got the Merit!

He also lost his part time job, which was a condition of him doing his BTEC for us as there was extra course fees and materials needed and I told him he had to pay them himself as it was his choice to do the course and be at college for an extra year. He lost that job within 6 months as he couldn’t get up to go to it and wasted all the cash on online gaming anyway!

When I say couldn’t get up, this was an evening job so he started at around 6pm! As he’d be up all night gaming, he’d stumble into college and then go to bed as soon as he got home in the afternoon! On weekends he’d stay up all night and sleep all day. I’d have to go to get up him and drive him there but gave up in the end as he was just taking the piss!

He hasn’t been able to get another job since last March despite me telling him from last year that if he wanted to go to Uni, he needed to get a part time job to save for the accommodation as we have no spare cash to subsidise him (and I didn’t want to with his track record).

There have been lots of arguments and we’ve lost our tempers and struggled with him to try to confiscate his phone (which we still pay for) or get his headphones off his head as he’s woken us up during the night shouting and swearing while gaming. Many times he has woken DH up at 3/4am and DH has a job where he can’t go into work tired!

Since he finished college, he literally sleeps all day and stays up all night. I have offered to pay for gym membership for him (have paid in the past but he ended up not going), given him cash to go out with his mates, tried to get him up and encourage him to do something but he will often sneak back to bed. I’ve looked up jobs for him to apply for for the summer, driven him to interviews, had to drag him out of bed to get ready. He’s even missed interviews by being asleep.

We’ve taken the WiFi but he just plays downloaded games.

I admit DH and I have both lost our shit and poured water over him to get him up and we have had tussles. His mates have also heard us shouting at him to shut up while he’s been online gaming with them as he’s so loud and also to get off the game for dinner or to do a chore he’s been asked to do. He often leaves his dinner on the side for hours after we’ve cooked for him and the other night we got him down to eat it but he left it on the table untouched and went back to bed! We come down in the morning to dirty glasses and plates left lying about. He rarely showers or brushes his teeth. He does nothing around the house.

We are at our wits end but had no choice but to support him to go to Uni as what else is he going to do? He can’t even get a part time job in a cafe!

As he can’t afford the accommodation, he will be living at home and commuting so we have said we want half of his first maintenance loan as we have been continuously paying out for him since he lost his part time job.

I recently paid over £200 for contact lenses which he can’t be bothered to put in, despite saying he wanted them. He has also lost two bikes over the last year by not bothering to chain them up. One was his Dad’s and he had to buy a new one, so we’ve said he can pay us back for that. He also got into an accident due to not looking where he was going and we had to pay for the damage to the car so he owes us for that. I gave him £100 a few weeks ago to buy clothes. So including all the £20 here and there, it’s probably over £1000 he’s had off us which I want back from his first maintenance loan and I think is reasonable. He’ll get around £2800.

He will only have train fare to Uni to pay so will have plenty for going out but apparently we are ‘exploiting’ him for money!

We are not well off as I have had to be a SAHM due to his brother being disabled so we have really struggled financially but always made sure he had everything he needed but apparently he’s embarrassed at us as we are ‘poor’ and all his mates parents are paying for their Uni accommodation and paid for their cars etc!

We have tried so hard to support him while coping with his brother and 2 other DC whilst he has been making himself out to be a victim to his mates and behaving disgracefully at home.

I have told him to pack his stuff and ask his mate if he can crash with him and I wash my hands of him. He’s in bed asleep right now!

I just cannot believe he actually thinks we are abusive to him Angry. I can’t stop crying.

OP posts:
Galassia · 12/08/2021 16:04

Does he smoke weed?

And yes you are right to show him some tough love.

PaterPower · 12/08/2021 16:07

That’s awful, I’m so sorry for you and your DH.

I honestly think you’ve done enough now and he needs to smell the coffee. Kicking him out might be the only thing that gets him to do that.

MandUs · 12/08/2021 16:08

Pouring water over someone is abusive. As is pulling headphones of them.

I have no advice though as it does sound all very difficult.

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aiwblam · 12/08/2021 16:09

I think you are right to tell him to get out. What he has done is not some little disagreement, it is absolutely disgraceful and also sustained.

FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 16:10

No amazingly there are no drugs involved (oldest did it for a while so I know the signs and smell!). He doesn’t smoke, or drink either except if he’s at a party which is rare these days.

He rarely leaves the house now anyway or has money to spend on it.

His drug is gaming!

OP posts:
aiwblam · 12/08/2021 16:10

If you are "abusive", surely he'll be glad to leave.

PeterCorbeau · 12/08/2021 16:11

If you're having 'tussles' then he absolutely needs to leave. The situation is untenable.

katemuff · 12/08/2021 16:11

Draw a line for yourself now. No more money. Ever. Stick with it. I'm so sorry he is such a disappointment.

KaptainKaveman · 12/08/2021 16:12

So sorry you're going through this OP. He is behaving like a lazy, entitled arse, frankly. But you need to stop.doing things for him - stop cooking, giving him cash, driving him to places. If he isn't even able to brush his teeth then he won't last 5 minutes at university.
I would very calmly tell him you've read the text and you're glad to know his perspective. Then give him an ultimatum. If it helps, make a list of all his transgressions.
Good luck OP. You are doing nothing wrong.

YelloYelloYello · 12/08/2021 16:12

It sounds like he’s hard work but it doesn’t sound like you’re 100% right either.
I admit DH and I have both lost our shit and poured water over him to get him up and we have had tussles
^ For instance.

But, he’s 19 and he should be learning how to stand on his own two feet and realise that there’s consequences to his actions.

It’s tough. You need to focus on building your relationship up whilst also showing him some tough love.

SnarkyBag · 12/08/2021 16:13

I’m curious as to what a “tussle” looks like?

KaptainKaveman · 12/08/2021 16:14

He'd be better off getting a job. He won't be able to stick a university course and will rack up huge debts.
I don't blame you for pouring water over him. He is the abusive one.

Snowdrop30 · 12/08/2021 16:15

Just a question: are there any possible learning differences here? The not following through on things, failing to attend to personal hygiene and endless gaming might be ADHD/ ADD-related? Can see why you are terribly hurt - sounds like a horrible situation.

SudokuZebra · 12/08/2021 16:16

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thenewduchessofhastings · 12/08/2021 16:17

Tbh I don't see him sticking with university.

You need to give him notice to find a job and move out.

You need to also ban gaming in the house;he had a serious addiction if he's not getting up to leave the house/eat/wash.

www.ukat.co.uk/gaming-addiction/

WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor · 12/08/2021 16:17

If he flunks out of collage now that’s fine he can do it again when he’s older and more mature. Tell him he needs to find his own way in the world. You’ve been facilitating his laziness for too long. He soon learn that in the real world you can’t pull that shit.

ReggaetonLente · 12/08/2021 16:18

'Tussles' with your teenage son?

What do these actually involve?

I agree it all sounds very difficult, but if he's saying his parents have hit him, and you have - he's not lying, is he? You just feel it's deserved.

It does sound like you do a lot for him but you could give him a million pounds and it'll still be the physical abuse - or water poured over his head, headphones and phone ripped off him, or 'tussles' - that he remembers. I'm sorry, I know that sounds harsh but it's true.

For what it's worth my brother was like this - he's now a very responsible teacher with a family of his own. Uni and a nice girlfriend was the making of him.

Janaih · 12/08/2021 16:19

What a sad situation I'm sorry. Teens can be shits.
I think its fair to say enough is enough. A bit of space might do you all some good. Flowers

AOwlAOwlAOwl · 12/08/2021 16:20

You've enabled his laziness, driving him about, organising interviews, giving him money for stuff he's lost or broken.

He's had no consequences for any of his poor behaviour. You've covered up for him every time.

He's obviously behaved badly and treated the whole house with disrespect but he's got away with it so far so I'm sure kicking him out is going to be seen by him as a massive overreaction.

Why not just cut off his money? Let him have the loan, it's pointless saying he owes you money out of it, you won't see it again. But don't give him any extra once he spends it all in his first week.

Olympiadreamer · 12/08/2021 16:21

Gosh. That's really tough. He sounds incredibly difficult. Could there be any illness that is making him not want to get out of bed? Depression? Drug use?

It sounds like he does need to move out. You can't keep doing this. It's too much.

Just bare in mind that it might not have been him that said you were abusive. His friends might have come to that conclusion if they've heard the arguments and heard about things like the water being tipped on him.

Best of luck and I'm sure things will improve as he gets older. Hopefully a job or uni will help him develop an understanding of the realities and responsibilities of life.

TheABC · 12/08/2021 16:22

It does sound like it's time he moved out.

Iusedtobecarmen · 12/08/2021 16:22

OP
You are not abusive!!
Some of what you have said is very similar to one of my older DC.
Pissed about at school
(Was very bright, but grades dropped)

Had big rows with his dad which have ended with DH about to like punch him after hes squared up to him. And called him all sorts.

Supported him through uni and he dropped out( hes since gone back on another course and uni).
Hes had about 5 jobs all of which he has lost (not his fault ever) due to various vague reasons.

Hes 21 now and I'd say miles better.
Still occasionally yells and swears at xbox.
Says up all night and sleeps till like 5pm and eats crap while we are in bed.
But he is better.
However,a couple if months ago he went nuts about something minor and said some very horrible things to me about basically being a shit parent.
I was distraught
We have kind of resolved it.
But I get how you feel. I have no advice though.
Well I'm actually great at advice in general, but I'm not in a position to comment on this subject.
Oh he smokes weed which is another issue, but he was the same before he smoked , when he was a schoolchild/teen.

Wintercoffee · 12/08/2021 16:23

I think you answered your own thread! He needs a massive wake up call so yes him moving out to uni and support getting cut off, he’ll buck up his ideas real quick!

Iusedtobecarmen · 12/08/2021 16:24

Only difference is my Ds washes, showers etc
Has excellent hygiene

Summersnake · 12/08/2021 16:24

You can’t take his student loan of him …it’s a pittance as it is..your setting him up to fail doing that ….all the money you say he owes you ,is what I willingly give my children.
Yes I think he needs to leave ,for his own sake