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I want to kick DS out TODAY? Totally devastated by what he’s been saying about us.

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FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 16:01

Sorry this is really long but I feel so betrayed and devastated and furious!

This lunchtime as I was sitting on the sofa I noticed a phone on the other arm of it, assumed it was DH’s as he’s off today but noticed the screen was open on what looked like a long message rather than being black and locked. I thought was odd so picked it up out of curiosity.

It was actually DS’s (19) phone, they both have Samsung phones. His phone obviously had been set not to time out.

He had been in a convo with his best friend about moving out, as he’s going to University in September, which apparently he’s desperate to do as we are very abusive to him and exploiting him for money (this was his friend saying this!).

His friend was advising him that he should contact the Uni to ask what help there is for students estranged from abusive parents and said ‘they even hit you man, that’s a crime, you could call the police on them’.

We also never support him and make him feel like shit about himself apparently.

We had have major issues with DS for many years due to extreme laziness and screen addiction. He is also very arrogant and argumentative, knows everything and is always right and other the last few years has become very aggressive and shouty when asked to do anything/called out on his behaviour, even with his younger brother.

We used to get constant calls from school about him not doing homework (even about falling asleep in class) and during his GCSE’s about him not completing coursework. He did much worse than expected but managed to get enough to do his A levels which he wanted to do. I actually tried to dissuade him from doing them as I knew it would be a nightmare to keep him focused after the stress of his GCSE’s but he insisted he wanted to do them and promised he would work hard.

We found out mid way through the course that he was flunking them and his tutor didn’t think it worth him continuing as he was constantly on his phone in class and not doing the work. So a whole year wasted.

Then he decided he wanted to do a BTEC about something he was passionate about so we supported him in that but again I constantly had to get him up in the morning, he was slow to finish his work and wasn’t handing stuff in on time. I had calls just before he was due to finish with concerns he was forecast for a Pass when he needed a Merit to get into Uni and that he hadn’t bothered to attend his English GCSE resit as he’d overslept! Lots of stress at home about this and constantly being on his back about doing the work. Still there were many times he didn’t even bother to go in and I’m amazed he got the Merit!

He also lost his part time job, which was a condition of him doing his BTEC for us as there was extra course fees and materials needed and I told him he had to pay them himself as it was his choice to do the course and be at college for an extra year. He lost that job within 6 months as he couldn’t get up to go to it and wasted all the cash on online gaming anyway!

When I say couldn’t get up, this was an evening job so he started at around 6pm! As he’d be up all night gaming, he’d stumble into college and then go to bed as soon as he got home in the afternoon! On weekends he’d stay up all night and sleep all day. I’d have to go to get up him and drive him there but gave up in the end as he was just taking the piss!

He hasn’t been able to get another job since last March despite me telling him from last year that if he wanted to go to Uni, he needed to get a part time job to save for the accommodation as we have no spare cash to subsidise him (and I didn’t want to with his track record).

There have been lots of arguments and we’ve lost our tempers and struggled with him to try to confiscate his phone (which we still pay for) or get his headphones off his head as he’s woken us up during the night shouting and swearing while gaming. Many times he has woken DH up at 3/4am and DH has a job where he can’t go into work tired!

Since he finished college, he literally sleeps all day and stays up all night. I have offered to pay for gym membership for him (have paid in the past but he ended up not going), given him cash to go out with his mates, tried to get him up and encourage him to do something but he will often sneak back to bed. I’ve looked up jobs for him to apply for for the summer, driven him to interviews, had to drag him out of bed to get ready. He’s even missed interviews by being asleep.

We’ve taken the WiFi but he just plays downloaded games.

I admit DH and I have both lost our shit and poured water over him to get him up and we have had tussles. His mates have also heard us shouting at him to shut up while he’s been online gaming with them as he’s so loud and also to get off the game for dinner or to do a chore he’s been asked to do. He often leaves his dinner on the side for hours after we’ve cooked for him and the other night we got him down to eat it but he left it on the table untouched and went back to bed! We come down in the morning to dirty glasses and plates left lying about. He rarely showers or brushes his teeth. He does nothing around the house.

We are at our wits end but had no choice but to support him to go to Uni as what else is he going to do? He can’t even get a part time job in a cafe!

As he can’t afford the accommodation, he will be living at home and commuting so we have said we want half of his first maintenance loan as we have been continuously paying out for him since he lost his part time job.

I recently paid over £200 for contact lenses which he can’t be bothered to put in, despite saying he wanted them. He has also lost two bikes over the last year by not bothering to chain them up. One was his Dad’s and he had to buy a new one, so we’ve said he can pay us back for that. He also got into an accident due to not looking where he was going and we had to pay for the damage to the car so he owes us for that. I gave him £100 a few weeks ago to buy clothes. So including all the £20 here and there, it’s probably over £1000 he’s had off us which I want back from his first maintenance loan and I think is reasonable. He’ll get around £2800.

He will only have train fare to Uni to pay so will have plenty for going out but apparently we are ‘exploiting’ him for money!

We are not well off as I have had to be a SAHM due to his brother being disabled so we have really struggled financially but always made sure he had everything he needed but apparently he’s embarrassed at us as we are ‘poor’ and all his mates parents are paying for their Uni accommodation and paid for their cars etc!

We have tried so hard to support him while coping with his brother and 2 other DC whilst he has been making himself out to be a victim to his mates and behaving disgracefully at home.

I have told him to pack his stuff and ask his mate if he can crash with him and I wash my hands of him. He’s in bed asleep right now!

I just cannot believe he actually thinks we are abusive to him Angry. I can’t stop crying.

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MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 12/08/2021 16:26

You sound as argumentative as you claim he is.

What are tussels?

Throwing water over him?!

You can't be that hard up of you're buying £200 contact lenses so it seems a bit weird you want half his loan. He'll be living at home so let him use his loan to pay for everything he needs and he'll learn to budget properly.

I don't believe for one minute you thought that was dh's pnone Wink You know the old saying,no one hears anything good about themselves when they eavesdrop.

Amima · 12/08/2021 16:26

You need to turn the internet off. Why is he permitted to go online when he’s not complying with work and study commitments?

slashlover · 12/08/2021 16:26

His friend was advising him that he should contact the Uni to ask what help there is for students estranged from abusive parents and said ‘they even hit you man, that’s a crime, you could call the police on them’.

Well you pour water on him and have tussles.

Interested in this thread?

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SudokuZebra · 12/08/2021 16:26

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KaptainKaveman · 12/08/2021 16:27

@Sudokozebra don't be so ridiculous. The OP has been bled dry by her addict son. He is incapable of brushING his teeth and he is 19. Read the thread .

Christmasfairy2020 · 12/08/2021 16:27

Tbh I think you sound abusive. Leave him to it. Also with you not earning he can get more maintenance loan for moving out. Why are uou shouting and having tussles if he wants to lay in bed and game all night let him. Stop been so controlling. Let him go to uni leave his money alone

FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 16:27

@SudokuZebra Wow, well thanks for that, you gave me a laugh anyway!

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Christmasfairy2020 · 12/08/2021 16:28

What degree is he doing

stepupandbecounted · 12/08/2021 16:28

You are being abusive I am sorry this might hurt, but absolutely you are.

'I admit DH and I have both lost our shit and poured water over him to get him up and we have had tussles'

A tussle/pulling and pushing is violence I assumed minimised. Particularly bad if it also involves pouring cold water on someone asleep. I was horrified to read that!

'There have been lots of arguments and we’ve lost our tempers and struggled with him to try to confiscate his phone'

You have admitted to losing your temper and struggling with him to take his phone, again that sounds violent.

You have no described anything out of the ordinary. Most teens are like this, and many are much worse.

And now you are going to throw him out?

Why didn't you have a simple rule to have all gadgets with you at 10pm. There was no need for the violence, tempers and anger.

I think you owe your son a huge apology, and I hope he finds it within himself to forgive you. NONE of what you have described is okay.

Lcachu · 12/08/2021 16:29

@SudokuZebra

Erm op, you don't sound great at all. You are reading your 19 year old son's phone messages, that is controlling.

He's presumably passed the BTEC well enough to get into uni, but instead of being proud of him , you want to get half your greedy paws on his maintenance loan. That's appalling behaviour.

You actually seem to resent him going to university and getting a degree, ( you'd rather he works in a cafe..)

You threw water all over him. I'm assuming we'd all be hearing how awful it was if he'd thrown water over you.

Whether he was doing a BTEC or A Levels, if you were actually in a low income , you'd be entitled to child benefit or universal credit for him when he was in FE. The fact you weren't , suggests you do have an unhealthy obsession with getting his money

I can't believe you are demanding almost 50% of the maintenance loan. Appalling behaviour. Think his friend has seen right through you tbh.

I do not agree with this poster at all. I know somebody whose son was similar to how you described yours. What's he like in his late 20's now?

Racked up 30k+ debt gambling, living with his parents, threatened by Eastern European gangsters for his debt, stolen from his own parents, can't hold down a job, every job he's worked has been given to him through his parent's contacts, written off cars that his parents have bought him. In summary he's a waste of space.

Sometimes you really can't change people no matter how much love you give them.

Kitfish · 12/08/2021 16:29

@SudokuZebra

Erm op, you don't sound great at all. You are reading your 19 year old son's phone messages, that is controlling.

He's presumably passed the BTEC well enough to get into uni, but instead of being proud of him , you want to get half your greedy paws on his maintenance loan. That's appalling behaviour.

You actually seem to resent him going to university and getting a degree, ( you'd rather he works in a cafe..)

You threw water all over him. I'm assuming we'd all be hearing how awful it was if he'd thrown water over you.

Whether he was doing a BTEC or A Levels, if you were actually in a low income , you'd be entitled to child benefit or universal credit for him when he was in FE. The fact you weren't , suggests you do have an unhealthy obsession with getting his money

I can't believe you are demanding almost 50% of the maintenance loan. Appalling behaviour. Think his friend has seen right through you tbh.

This.

I don't think you should take any of his maintenance grant.
I think your behaviour has been abusive at times.
It's sad you don't seem to have anything nice to say about your son getting into university (well done him).

Lots of teenagers spend silly hours gaming (my DS does) - I wouldn't throw him out or take his money though.

Instead of punishing him for his viewpoint. Maybe you should listen to it and reconsider your treatment of him.

stepupandbecounted · 12/08/2021 16:30

Poor kid, genuinely hope he finds his way outside the family home and has lots of outside support Sad

MrsBobDylan · 12/08/2021 16:31

You all sound like you have lost control. You come across as so angry at him, that you cannot see anything positive about him at all.

He actually did pass his BTEC, he's got into a Uni close enough to home to sort out the lack of money for accommodation. He's done ok.

You shouldn't be taking half of his student loan and you shouldn't be pouring water over him and having 'tussles'.

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 12/08/2021 16:31

I can't believe you are demanding almost 50% of the maintenance loan. Appalling behaviour.

Isn’t the maintenance loan for paying towards living expenses? If he’s continuing to live at home, with food, washing, heating, internet etc etc all added in, then isn’t OP justified in taking some of that money?

Though seems like you’d be better cutting your losses OP and let him work it out on his own.

alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 16:32

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GrrRightBackAtYou · 12/08/2021 16:33

So you are happy for him to get into debt to pay you £1,000?
Great start for him in life.

Why give him money here and there if you begrudge giving it and want to grab it back off him from his loan ?

KaptainKaveman · 12/08/2021 16:33

Anyone who is staying up all night to 'game' has seriously got problems IMO.
OP you sound really exhausted and depressed by his years of vile behaviour. Please kick him out for your own sake. Ignore the screechers.

StrawberryJamSandwiches · 12/08/2021 16:33

@ReggaetonLente

'Tussles' with your teenage son?

What do these actually involve?

I agree it all sounds very difficult, but if he's saying his parents have hit him, and you have - he's not lying, is he? You just feel it's deserved.

It does sound like you do a lot for him but you could give him a million pounds and it'll still be the physical abuse - or water poured over his head, headphones and phone ripped off him, or 'tussles' - that he remembers. I'm sorry, I know that sounds harsh but it's true.

For what it's worth my brother was like this - he's now a very responsible teacher with a family of his own. Uni and a nice girlfriend was the making of him.

Unfortunately, I agree with this.
FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 16:34

With regarding pouring water over him, can anyone suggest other ways in which to get an adult out of bed without violence?

I guess I should have just left him there, so I got done by the truancy officer and he got kicked out of college then?

The tussles were mutual shoving I suppose trying to get the phone off him or get him off the PC with him pushing back.

No one else lost patience when a teen doesn’t come down for dinner, answer you calling them, or listen to anything you say as ‘I’ve got headphones on’ as if that’s something that’s out of their control?

Ok to shout and swear at 3am waking everyone up then refusing to take headphones off and get off game?

Hmm
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alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 16:34

As he can’t afford the accommodation, he will be living at home and commuting so we have said we want half of his first maintenance loan as we have been continuously paying out for him since he lost his part time job.

what's abusive about that?

The teen is getting everything handed to him on a plate, for very little work. He needs to understand that you just don't get everything for doing nothing. A 19 yo is more than old enough to understand finance, and responsibilities.

No way would most parents allow someone to slob all day (or night) playing video games!

TakeYourFinalPosition · 12/08/2021 16:34

I admit DH and I have both lost our shit and poured water over him to get him up and we have had tussles.

That is concerning, to say the least.

Yes, for everyone's good, he needs to move out.

His friend isn't wrong that he should probably contact the university about what his options are. It has deteriorated to abuse between you, and that's not good.

It's unreasonable to be devastated about what he's been saying because it doesn't sound as if it's untrue, just unpalatable. But it's not unreasonable to use this as a prompt to get everyone into a better place, and it doesn't sound like that's staying at home with you for anyone.

SudokuZebra · 12/08/2021 16:34

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Burnshersmurfs · 12/08/2021 16:35

@Snowdrop30

Just a question: are there any possible learning differences here? The not following through on things, failing to attend to personal hygiene and endless gaming might be ADHD/ ADD-related? Can see why you are terribly hurt - sounds like a horrible situation.
Second this post- a psychiatrist evaluation sounds like a good idea.
ChequerBoard · 12/08/2021 16:35

@SudokuZebra

Erm op, you don't sound great at all. You are reading your 19 year old son's phone messages, that is controlling.

He's presumably passed the BTEC well enough to get into uni, but instead of being proud of him , you want to get half your greedy paws on his maintenance loan. That's appalling behaviour.

You actually seem to resent him going to university and getting a degree, ( you'd rather he works in a cafe..)

You threw water all over him. I'm assuming we'd all be hearing how awful it was if he'd thrown water over you.

Whether he was doing a BTEC or A Levels, if you were actually in a low income , you'd be entitled to child benefit or universal credit for him when he was in FE. The fact you weren't , suggests you do have an unhealthy obsession with getting his money

I can't believe you are demanding almost 50% of the maintenance loan. Appalling behaviour. Think his friend has seen right through you tbh.

This.

You aren't covering yourself in glory here OP.

tava63 · 12/08/2021 16:36

My sense is you are unkind towards him. There is little evidence of you having any positive regard for him, your expectations of him are low and the times he has surpassed them you still put him down. So much of your post is about you insisting on him paying you money back rather than sharing with him how you can both cooperate with each other better to help him meet his aspirations within the context of your financial situation. Nearly everyone I know with young adults tells me their sleeping patterns are all over the place and whilst his seem slightly worse he may also be motivated to avoid being around you and his Dad. Given the context of throwing water over him, arguments about money and your low expectations of him and with only a few weeks before he leaves home I think hearing your DM say she is washing your hands of you is abusive. I hope for both of you that you can think about your own contribution to this situation, rein in your anger and find a way to repair your relationship - even if he does go stay with his friend.