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In a pickle over lack of thank you & holiday contribution

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bettybottersbetterbutter · 30/07/2021 11:28

About a 6 weeks ago my DD was taken away for the weekend by a school friend and her family to their holiday home in Cornwall. She's obviously very lucky and we thanked the parents before and after but that was it and I'm now looking back and feeling totally mortified that we didn't offer or send DD with a proper contribution (ie more than the £20 pocket money she took) or send a note and gift to the parents afterwards thanking them.
I could list the reasons why these things didn't happen at the time but suffice to say it was more poor time management than significant life event so not relevant and totally not a valid excuse.

We don't know the parents bar the odd WhatsApp message but I do know their address so really poor on my behalf not to at least have sent a thank you.

How can I resolve this 6 weeks after the event without looking totally ridiculous or like someone has prompted me.

OP posts:
MyDcAreMarvel · 30/07/2021 16:04

They took your dd to benefit their child not yours. There is no need for a financial contribution. I have never expected one.

Abraxan · 30/07/2021 16:05

It was a weekend away, not a long holiday, though - not sure it warrants half cases of good wine, £100 cash and such large gifts.

If I offer to take DD's friends away with us for the weekend I don't expect any contribution. Yes, child might take some pocket money to spend in extra treats but not for every day stuff. I certainly wouldn't expect a contribution to the accommodation and normal food costs.

I'd be quite embarrassed to receive such large gifts for a simple weekend away!

Abraxan · 30/07/2021 16:07

And agree with previous posters.

The reason we took friends away occasionally was because it worked well for us and benefitted Dd. As an only child she relished the idea of a friend coming with us, and it took some pressure of us re entertaining her.

If anything I guess I should have been paying the parents for lending me their child to entertain mine!

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Surreyvillager · 30/07/2021 16:09

Agree with other posters I would never expect money when taking a friends child away with us. They are a guest and frankly it makes my life easier if they have a buddy. Some flowers and a card after the event would be very thoughtful though and I wouldn't mind at all if it was 6 weeks after the event.

carolinesbaby · 30/07/2021 16:13

This thread is completely OTT.
We regularly took friends away on holiday with us as children, our parents never asked for anything. The friends parents often offered to pay the difference in the cost of the travel (extra person in the car on the cross-channel ferry, bigger cabin needed). We had a caravan and when in the U.K. our friends never paid.

Two nights at a holiday home they already own is not much more than a sleepover! I would be embarrassed to receive a half case of champagne for that - really?! How much would that even cost?

silverbubbles · 30/07/2021 16:13

Send them a nice box of wine in the post. Don't mention the delay just say thank you.

Confusedandshaken · 30/07/2021 16:15

We regularly took DDs mates away with us. They were our guests and we never expected them or their parents to pay. Most of them gave us a gift or paid for a meal out or some such. Some of them didn't and looking back I cannot remember who did what so it was obviously not a big deal.

The only one that stands out was one 17 yo boy whose parents sent him with £100 in an envelope to cover the cost of his food. They weren't kidding! We aren't big eaters and I was gobsmacked by how much food this lad could put away. There were no leftovers with him in the house.

Abraxan · 30/07/2021 16:16

The one and only time we have ever asked a friend of DD's to contribute was when we took one of them to Florida with us. We asked them to pay for their own park tickets (but only the basic base price not the extras) and flight costs.

This was because the friend had actually asked to come, via Dd, and they were mid teens. We couldn't really afford to spend an £1000 on a friend. It was somewhere DD's friend really wanted to go but would never have been able to go,with her own family. Her parents contributed most of the cost and the friend earned the rest by doing chores for family and friends, etc.

This didn't cover all of the costs for the friend (it cost us much more but we were happy to pay the extras as we knew it also meant a lot to Dd, as well as her good friend) - we had to get a larger accommodation, and we paid for all her food/drink (including the extra cost for a meal pass for the week) and we also covered the theme park tickets extras such as express passes.

We got $200 gift card and Dd and her friend split this evenly when there. If we got Dd anything, we also got similar for the friend.

stevalnamechanger · 30/07/2021 16:18

Send a letter and just explain along with a gift ! You're overthinking

PrettyLittleFlies · 30/07/2021 16:20

@Paddling654

bluntness

I think you should stay away from the social etiquette threads unless this is intentionally funny in which case don't stop!

Sage advice 😂
Bbub · 30/07/2021 16:25

I haven't RTFT as I fell off my seat at the "half a case of champagne" suggestion. The only thing I'd consider is if I could include in the thank you note an invite for their DD to come over, or out for the day with you somewhere, or something. It will keep the relationship going nicely rather than a transactional weekend away = thank you gift and then it's done kind of thing.

Also may look like thats part of the reason you got late, because you were trying to plan something fun for them 😁🤷‍♀️

Bluntness100 · 30/07/2021 16:43

@multivac

It 's a weird as being invited to diner and offering some cash towards the meal

Also, this is clearly referring to a meal in someone's house. Don't be so disingenuous.

I don’t think they are see the follow up post, and the ops already clarified that they ate out. So I really don’t understand why you’re on the attack. Although I do assume you did mean to be rude.
pleasedonttextmyman · 30/07/2021 16:45

Bluntness100

I don’t think they are see the follow up post, and the ops already clarified that they ate out. So I really don’t understand why you’re on the attack. Although I do assume you did mean to be rude.

My original post DID refer to a diner at home, it was clear enough.
You were disingenuous, and calling someone "rude" for pointing it out is a bit childish.

But your reply was so ridiculous that I had to reply to it...

multivac · 30/07/2021 16:51

Ah, bless you Bluntness, I'm far too amused to be 'attacking' anyone. Someone earlier suggested you were being satirical on purpose; I admit, that hadn't occurred to me. Nice work, if so!

Gemma2019 · 30/07/2021 17:34

@multivac

Ah, bless you Bluntness, I'm far too amused to be 'attacking' anyone. Someone earlier suggested you were being satirical on purpose; I admit, that hadn't occurred to me. Nice work, if so!
Ah is that what she’s been doing? And here’s me thinking she’s just been unnecessarily rude and opinionated on every single thread in every single topic ever posted on Mumsnet in the last decade, night and day.

I stand corrected then - well played!

Gemma2019 · 30/07/2021 17:36

I will shortly be sending half a case of good wine, a flower bundle and a Faberge egg to apologise for my mistaken assumption

MySecretHistory · 30/07/2021 17:51

@silverbubbles

Send them a nice box of wine in the post. Don't mention the delay just say thank you.
A box of wine (d ups mens cheap plonk wine box or a case of wine?)

Both totally inappropriate

It is very rude to send OTT gifts.

MySecretHistory · 30/07/2021 17:52

corrcection- do you mean

MySecretHistory · 30/07/2021 17:53

@Paddling654

am not sure that manners have anything to do with money.

Of course they do. Manners are about thoughtfulness and making the other person comfortable/not taking advantage which is influenced by finances. You gift what you can afford. After a certain point the gift becomes a burden to everyone because the other party can't afford it. That line changes according to circumstances. When you're just starting out in life and everyone's struggling, you offer to bring pudding when invited for a meal but twenty years later you probably don't because the other party can absorb the costs.

You really don't gift what you can afford- it is pretentious

You give a modest gift- card and note bottle of wine these circumstances. Anything else is really bad manners.

MySecretHistory · 30/07/2021 17:54

@bettybottersbetterbutter

Thank you for all your comments and suggestions. I have sent a modest but nice bunch of flower and add a ' belated thanks' type message. No mention of financial contribution.

For those that asked, DD is 12 and spent the £20 on sweets, an ice cream and bought £12 back! They certainly did pay for things (2x service station meals, dinner out, beach fish and chips etc) but not organised activities or anything as far as I'm aware. The family are very well off (assuming home ownership is a true indication of wealth) so I'm sure wouldn't have expected any payment but I still believe I should have at least offered and will do if they take her again but certainly won't insist or make a big deal of it. Dds friend comes for sleepovers regularly anyway but we aren't in a position offer a holiday or weekend away unless they want to camp.
Thanks again everyone.

then £20 was perfect
Paddling654 · 30/07/2021 19:04

You really don't gift what you can afford- it is pretentious

Said by a relatively wealthy person! Your wealth relative to others will affect your ideas of what is appropriate far more than you probably realise. Imagine a life while sharing a tin of bins is a profound kindness. Then a life where you can't possibly gift so much food. Gifting certainly is affected by what is considered modest/generous which is directly related to what you can afford.

1FootInTheRave · 30/07/2021 19:07

Wine or flowers and a thank you card is perfect.

ShagMeRiggins · 30/07/2021 19:46

Have read the fucking full thread.

Made me think how many don’t understand the difference between an Invitation vs an Expectation.

OP, you did well with your response.

headintheproverbial · 30/07/2021 20:18

OP don't worry. If I invited a friends child away I 100% would not want or expect a financial contribution. You really wouldn't invite if you can't afford!!

As Pp said just send something now and say sorry for delay. Job done

WombatChocolate · 30/07/2021 22:03

This is all about friendship and not about totting up the cost and gifting to replicate the coat, or the need to reciprocate a holiday to the same value.

A bunch of flowers is a nice thank-you.

An offer of a day out with your family or to join you on a camping holiday is something nice if it fits well with what your family might be doing, an extra child would be a positive rather than a burden and if you would all enjoy it. It isn't essnrtial by any means. And the fact that your holiday might be camping rather than staying in an owned property, or cost more or less than what your DD was taken on is neither here nor there ...its just about the friendship of the girls and the continuing relationship. Families invite other children to what they have already planned and what their family enjoy....any guest just fits in, whether that's ultimate luxury or extreme basics.

When we have take a friend, it has usually been self catering. There is always an extra bed so the accommodation doesn't cost us extra. It is within the UK, so no extra travel costs. It does cost us for the extra meal out each evening and an extra entrance fee or activity fee each time. But we are happy with that or we wouldn't invite the friend. Our own children get a lot of pleasure from the friend and we enjoy the extra company too.

We once did invite my brothers children to come skiing with us. The invitation was made on the basis of them paying for their kids' flights and ski costs, although we were covering the accommodation. In the end Covid put paid to that happening, but my brother was really happy with the arrangement....he wasn't available to take the kids skiing and was really grateful to us for including them. The conversation about costs happened at the same time as the invitation. If it had been a friend for that kind of holiday with those costs, we would have offered something similar. They are always welcome to accept or decline. Either is fine.

My DD was invited to go away with a school friend, along with a couple of others too. This would have involved a short flight and staying at the property owned by the friends family. Each friends family were to pay the flight cost (suggested flights from host, but left to individuals to book) and the costs of the holiday were to be funded by the hosts. Gifts of choc/wine/biscuits were given by families at the start (rather like you might if involved with an Exchange) and again a couple gave similar at the end.

Hosting another child on holiday does cost. It might not cost much extra than the family costs, if self catering and eating in and not doing many activities, but there will be some costs, even if it's the odd ice cream. I think you have to expect to incur those costs if you invite a child to join you. And you choose your form of eating and type of activities based on what you're prepared to pay for.....fine to do luxurious expensive activities every day if you're happy to pay. It doesn't really work if you're not.
The kid of holiday where you pay extra for accommodation for an extra person, such as extra flights, extra hotel room, extra ski pass, extra ski lessons is probably less suited to taking an extra along, for all but the very well off. Where an extra adds a couple of grand to the overall cost before you even arrive, most people won't want to do that, but some will.

It's always good to have a conversation about costs before anything is agreed to avoid misunderstandings. Too many threads on MN are about someone having accepted an invitation without this conversation....they hadn't been to,f it would involve a contribution and later found out it would when it was too,late to pull out......cue lots of grievance. Or other threads about those taking a kid who had expected a contribution but hadn't said and now feel lots of angst about a family not contributing. As long as people make things clear up front, anyone is free to accept or decline an invitation in full receipt of the knowledge of any costs it might incur (or not) for them. And it doesn't have to be awkward. '

We are going on holiday to X and would love Mary to join us if she's able to. We've booked a cottage and Jane's bedroom will have 2 beds, so plenty of room for Mary. We will be very happy to include Mary in everything we are doing for the week, but she might just like to bring some pocket money in case she wants to buy a souvenir etc'

Or

'We are going to X on holiday and would love it if Mary could join us. We plan to stay in half board hotel and would be happy to cover Mary, if you would feel happy to cover the cost of the flight, which looks like being in the region of £200. It would be great if she can join us but we totally understand if it doesn't work for you'

OR

'We are planning a holiday for next year to X. DD wonders if Mary would like to join us. We would be really happy to take her if you were happy to cover her main costs, which are lookimg like flight £X, hotel £X and activity package £X. We realise it's a lot of money and also that it might not fit with what you're doing, but thought we would ask.'

Personally I wouldn't feel happy offering no3. Really I would only ever offer a holiday where an extra child could be accommodated and transported with little extra cost, but I would be perfectly happy to feed and entertain them during the week....but people differ.