Is there anywhere where women don't get pestered and harassed by men?

[FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]

I feel like in every single environment, public space, workplace etc theres men standing in the wings waiting to harass, peste and intimidate women. I'm nearly 40 and I remember dealing with this shit as a teenager and expecting it to get better - but it hasn't.

We know what it's like for women being harassed on the street and where that leads to - 2 out of 3 girls aged 14 to 21 have experienced harassment but I'm actually surprised it's not higher (it probably is in real life I don't know a single woman who's never experienced harassment) source: https://plan-uk.org/act-for-girls/street-harassment

My niece, who is 18, works at a fast food restaurant and was telling me yesterday that she has to deal with creeps on every single shift. Not just male colleagues invading her personal space, touching her back etc - but she has had to get her manager on more than one occasion to ask a drive thru customer to leave the premises because he won't drive away until she gave him her phone number. She's handed her notice in because the harassment has got so bad and is looking to do factory work where she doesn't have to deal with the public.

I am 20 years older than her and deal with it too even now. I have a game on my phone that I play thats a community based game - eg you can interact with others, swap items, go into each others 'worlds' etc. It's linked to my Facebook so a tiny version of my profile picture comes up next to my username, so people can see I'm female. I get about 15 messages from men a day ranging from explicit, which I report, to "hi lovely can we chat". I just want to play the fucking game without having to sift through creepy messages.

Where the fuck do men get off behaving like this? Who told them it was ok? The above are just 2 examples but it seems to be everywhere.

I feel like the onus is on all women to change too - change jobs, change our profile pictures, don't walk down certain streets, don't walk alone at night etc. No one ever talks about the onus being on all men

And yes NAMALT, but far too many are and it seems to be normalised, and maybe the "men who arent like that" should do their bit to help women and start calling out the men who are?

God NiceGerbil it must be exhausting and depressing loathing men so much. Do you have any positive relationships with men? Any at all?

I think this kind of harassment is grim. My DD couldn't do a thing around men in her last workplace without being harassed and chatted up. Then in the street on the way home, not to mention when out in the evening. Perhaps the people who notice it less or who mind it less, get less of it in the first place. If you can't move from A to B without being stopped by a predatory man every day, it's no fun at all, quite the opposite. It becomes oppressive, and the 'target' feels hunted.

@ChristmasShearwater

God NiceGerbil it must be exhausting and depressing loathing men so much. Do you have any positive relationships with men? Any at all?

Maybe she has good reason? It’s not a stance I particularly relate to but I’m not going to judge, walk a mile in their shoes and all that.

@ChristmasShearwater

God NiceGerbil it must be exhausting and depressing loathing men so much. Do you have any positive relationships with men? Any at all?

What about her posts suggest she loathes men?

@ChristmasShearwater

God NiceGerbil it must be exhausting and depressing loathing men so much. Do you have any positive relationships with men? Any at all?

We don't know about her personal relationships with men. We don't know if they're positive, negative or a mixture.

Gay clubs. Hen parties often go to them and have a great time with no harassment.

Good plan. But don't hen parties often involve leering at or groping male strippers?

@Abhannmor

Good plan. But don't hen parties often involve leering at or groping male strippers?

I have never been to a hen party that involved anything like that.

@Abhannmor

Good plan. But don't hen parties often involve leering at or groping male strippers?

But that's not what OP asked 😂

Sorry...I veered off topic ,ahem , I was just reading something about male strippers

Loathe men?!

I've not written anything that isn't either common experience or has been in the news!

If the reaction to flagging the well known issues with certain men's groups online, that have been reported in the news, is to come to the conclusion it's about hating men rather than concern for children etc

Then your priorities are unusual!

I think stuff like ooooh man hater is just said to try to shut women up when they say things others don't want to think about, or to try and discredit so others don't engage?

All very interesting anyway....!

Well if you are look for genuine suggestions op may I suggest Bravissimo changing rooms?
If you have seen the thread in Aibu you will know that none of the men hanging about there will be staring at teenagers breasts.
Oh no they are all lovely single dads helping their teenager daughters or alternatively men helping disabled partners

Women are often called man-hater, prude, stuck up, boring etc. when they say factual things, e.g. like women's clothing doesn't cause rape, the male rapists do.

The biggest joke is that rapists can selfID as women, but there is a petition to also record sex:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/590123