Would you report racism? Re: Savills employee

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Following on from the Savills tweets where there employee used a racial slur regarding football last night and then made another tweet about domestic violence.
Would you report it if you saw a family member / friend etc posted something racist publicly? I think i would - i believe we should be actively anti racist not just let it slide past. I would feel slightly guilty but not overly to be honest. I also don't agree with the 'cancel culture' that goes on but people need to be held accountable for their actions!

I have and I would again. If someone loses their job because of it the fault will lie with them and no one else.

To report it to their employer is nasty, wrong and underhand. They may have views you don’t share, they may not even be very nice views but they don’t deserve to lose their livelihood over them

So if a Muslim person was showing extreme views saying how all white British people should be pay, you don’t think that should be reported to their employer?
What if they worked in a school and could easily influence teens to carry out attacks?

@toocold54

So if a Muslim person was showing extreme views saying how all white British people should be pay, you don’t think that should be reported to their employer?
What if they worked in a school and could easily influence teens to carry out attacks?

Wow what a real racist stereotype right there!

@NoWordForFluffy, I also only knew him on a superficial basis so I guess maybe this is who he really is.

That other account with his picture isn’t him though that’s a troll that’s just put his picture on, otherwise he would have deleted that one too surely!

Wow what a real racist stereotype right there!

Yes it was meant to be

Me too, @Annoyedandirritated. He was on a different floor / in a different department to me. I guess you can never tell what goes on in someone's private life.

The other account is odd, I agree. But did he close his account or did Twitter?

To report it to their employer is nasty, wrong and underhand.

And all the pp saying things like it's not ok to be answerable to your employer 24/7 - that simply does not wash. If you are writing in a private capacity - have at it, although racist hate speech is illegal and you deserve to be investigated by the platform and the police. But if you put your employer in your bio? Stupid - because then the employer has to get involved.

Bottom line: if you're going to post vile racist stuff online, don't have your workplace in your bio.

@VerticalHorizon

Abuse is abuse.

The medium used is irrelevant.

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To report it to their employer is nasty, wrong and underhand.

I’d say posting racist tweets is quite nasty and wrong too

100% I would.

Yes. There is nothing more to say.

@toocold54

To report it to their employer is nasty, wrong and underhand.

I’d say posting racist tweets is quite nasty and wrong too

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@VerticalHorizon

Live by the sword, die by the sword

It's a very dangerous thing to do.

Want to get someone sacked? create a twitter profile in their name and post racist or sexist remarks... and let vigilantes do the rest.

Now, absolutely true perpetrators should be punished, but it's important that it's done the right way. Investigated properly and punished properly.
It is so dangerous to go down the vigilante route.

This guy is being investigated by Greater Manchester Police. They will look at his devices, internet activity and IP addresses. I don't think someone can just post in a person's name and expect to get them in trouble.

@VerticalHorizon

But… that’s exactly what his employer is doing?

I'm not really talking about this specific case - more in general terms.
I'm just so wary of the dangers of howling mobs, in any form - physical or virtual.

I absolutely believe overtly racist posters should be punished, and heavily. I also believe that nowhere near enough is done to address it.
I just don't believe in folks taking matters into their own hands. I think they should be reported and folks should try and campaign for better standards of protection and greater consequences.

He was overtly racist though. Not sure quite which hill you're choosing to die on. Just know it's a ridiculous one.

I'm not on social media, but if I was I would report it to the mods, same as reporting a rascist post on here.
I don't think I'd report it to his employer. They should be monitoring their employee's SM themselves.

To answer the OP, of course I bloody would. I took an employer to tribunal for racial discrimination while I still worked for them, so am not afraid to do things that are socially awkward if I feel it is the right thing to do. I stand up for what I feel is right

Employer - we don't want to employ anyone racist as we value all our customers regardless of race.

Employee - I will be openly racist.

Employer - then we don't want to employ you

Employee - IT'S NOT FAIR

Y'know, racism isn't fair either?

Yes, 100%, and I find it truly disturbing that there are people who think a racist losing their job is worse than a racist hurling racist abuse at people. It’s hate speech, not free speech. Some of it was inciting violence. Such attitudes embolden and encourage the kind of people who were filmed punching and kicking Italian fans and those who’d do the same to black people. Racists may not loudly espouse their views in the workplace but you can be sure they’re discriminating in other ways - throwing CVs in the bin because someone has a foreign name, for example. These people absolutely deserve to lose their jobs and friends. Black people have suffered long enough in a society that protects racists and it’s time for that to change.

Some of the replies on this thread shows exactly why these idiots think they can get away with their views, and no its not freedom of speech

I can’t believe some people are more shocked about reporting a person to their employer than they are about their racist views.

The person who said they wouldn’t report it but would speak to that person about their views in hope of changing, you reall think these thoughts are something that will change!? these feelings are deeply ingrained and if they can post it so freely on social media I doubt a discussion with you will make them change their minds

@Brefugee

To report it to their employer is nasty, wrong and underhand.

And all the pp saying things like it's not ok to be answerable to your employer 24/7 - that simply does not wash. If you are writing in a private capacity - have at it, although racist hate speech is illegal and you deserve to be investigated by the platform and the police. But if you put your employer in your bio? Stupid - because then the employer has to get involved.

Bottom line: if you're going to post vile racist stuff online, don't have your workplace in your bio.

I don't think it's relevant if your employer is in your bio or not. If a client of the firm identifies him then it taints the employer by association whether he has put the employer in his bio or not.

It is entirely relevant to the point that many employers expressly forbid it. If I were a CEO and one of my employees was filmed doing this? I would be doing my utmost to mitigate any damage to the company's reputation, up to and including dismissal. (in my company we can put our employer on LinkedIn and that's it. And even for that there are strict, covered in our contracts, legally enforceable rules)

Sorry @tigger1001 I misread. Completely agree

@Brefugee

Sorry *@tigger1001* I misread. Completely agree

That's ok, I didn't word it well.

My employer is the same. And irrespective of whether we are linked via social media, anything that's posted that breaches company policy would be investigated.

Our social media policy is clear and available to all, so in all honestly I would lack sympathy to these who breach it.

As individuals we need to remember how far a post on social media can go, and be aware of the consequences of that. In this particular case, it's widely reported where this guy works (worked) so the employer only really had two choices - gross misconduct, or have their business tainted with this employees very public views.

To digress slightly - I saw something on LinkedIn yesterday and wondered what MNers' views on it are. A guy had posted something about the football racism and how it was terrible and he stood with the footballers etc (can't remember the exact wording) and a woman had screenshot his post and said he was a hypocrite because 20 years ago when they were at uni together he called her the p word - twice.

I am a bit uncomfortable about doing something like this - people can change their views - we sort of hope that we can reeducate people - and now he may lose his job for something that happened 20 years ago when he was about 19. I thought capital punishment should happen for murderers when I was a teenager, I grew out of that idea. Not quite the same, but people can and do change their views.

However, he denied knowing her and said it was mistaken identity. People instantly noticed they had been at the same university at the same time. Now universities are big places, and his name isn't that uncommon and there could have been two of them there at the same time - but that doesn't play well with me either. If it was him, he should have accepted it and apologised.

@Marguerite2000

I'm not on social media, but if I was I would report it to the mods, same as reporting a rascist post on here. I don't think I'd report it to his employer. They should be monitoring their employee's SM themselves.

I would disagree with this - I don't think it's fair or sustainable for a company to monitor their employees' private social media accounts. Companies simply don't have the resource for that and being constantly monitored by your employers inside and outside work is just wrong.

But if it is brought to their attention that someone has massively crossed the line in their behaviour (racism, abuse etc.) then yes they should absolutely act. To protect their own reputation but also to show support and solidarity to their employees who may have been affected by the behaviour.