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Would you report racism? Re: Savills employee

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reducingfootprint · 12/07/2021 14:52

Following on from the Savills tweets where there employee used a racial slur regarding football last night and then made another tweet about domestic violence.
Would you report it if you saw a family member / friend etc posted something racist publicly? I think i would - i believe we should be actively anti racist not just let it slide past. I would feel slightly guilty but not overly to be honest. I also don't agree with the 'cancel culture' that goes on but people need to be held accountable for their actions!

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wed8pril · 12/07/2021 16:55

I think being accountable 24/7 to an employer is very 1984.

Look at the woman that had that racist altercation with the bloke in the park. That has nothing to do with her work or employer but people hunted down her company and got her sacked.

That's not right, her employer isnt her keeper. By all means report her to the police for racism, but that's got nothing to do with her job.

If they're racist and openly say racist things, and they could be potentially working with BAME colleges and customers then it does affect their job.

FootballisgoingtoRome · 12/07/2021 17:02

Of course you should be held accountable to your employer if you are openly racist online or offline . Do you want racists teaching our children ? Do we want racists in any power of authority.

slashlover · 12/07/2021 17:09

The guy was very blatant about who he worked for.

If I was abusive to someone then my work may or may not investigate it. If I was abusive while clearly wearing my work uniform then they would DEFINTELY investigate.

igelkott2021 · 12/07/2021 17:09

I'm not famous and my Facebook account has been cloned - but fortunately people alerted me very quickly as they knew it wasn't me! I don't know if it can happen with Twitter.

But someone who posts that sort of racist slur on social media deserves to lose their job - not just for the racism but for their utter lack of judgment, too. Posting abhorrent views on Twitter is a special kind of stupid. Who in their right mind would post that, even when drunk? And that's without the DV side line...

I get the concern about visiting the sins of the father on the child - but not being able to earn an income is used as a get-out too often. How many times have we seen people get 12 points on their driving licence, plead inconvenience if they lose their licence, keep it, and then kill someone? Better that the state provides a safety net for the children in this case, or provides care to the elderly mother in the driving case (it's usually the sort of plea that is accepted by a magistrate).

gillysSong · 12/07/2021 17:11

Racism should always be called out first, then reported.
Otherwise it's still acceptable in society.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 12/07/2021 17:11

I suppose it's encouraging that the majority of posters on this thread don't agree that racists should be protected and enabled at the expense of others.

toocold54 · 12/07/2021 17:13

Being taken seriously thankfully

I’m glad it is being taken seriously.

TotorosCatBus · 12/07/2021 17:17

Look at the woman that had that racist altercation with the bloke in the park. That has nothing to do with her work or employer but people hunted down her company and got her sacked.

She found a new job with allegedly a higher salary very quickly so I wouldn't use her as an example. Her actions were forgotten very quickly because there's no shortage of people like that.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 12/07/2021 17:19

I would report the content to FB/Twitter/Insta without hesitation.

I am not sure I could report them to their employer though. Unless perhaps it was very extreme and/or they were say a police officer, or judge, or something.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 12/07/2021 17:21

Look at the woman that had that racist altercation with the bloke in the park. That has nothing to do with her work or employer but people hunted down her company and got her sacked.

Awwwww, poor her.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 12/07/2021 17:22

(That was sarcasm, to be clear)

3Britnee · 12/07/2021 17:25

But the incident had nothing to do with her work 🤷‍♀️

I believe the police should prosecute her, but its got nothing to with her job.

igelkott2021 · 12/07/2021 17:26

@JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon

I would report the content to FB/Twitter/Insta without hesitation.

I am not sure I could report them to their employer though. Unless perhaps it was very extreme and/or they were say a police officer, or judge, or something.

Well in this case it was pretty extreme.

Using a phrase that is well known for being completely unacceptable in an account linked to your employer is going to get you sacked.

Other people made comments that they should have practised penalties rather than taking the knee - stupid and unpleasant, but not sackable. I wouldn't report someone for that, although I think it's stupid to make any sort of comment that could be even remotely controversial on open social media.

I do wish people would stop hounding Savills on Twitter though - they have to follow due process and the police are now looking at it too. Let them do the investigation.

TotorosCatBus · 12/07/2021 17:28

@3Britnee

But the incident had nothing to do with her work 🤷‍♀️

I believe the police should prosecute her, but its got nothing to with her job.

I think that the black clients of her employer would disagree and so would her employers.
JesusInTheCabbageVan · 12/07/2021 17:30

@3Britnee

But the incident had nothing to do with her work 🤷‍♀️

I believe the police should prosecute her, but its got nothing to with her job.

It would be because her employer didn't want to be represented by someone who would try to frame an innocent man, and cynically exploit the fact that the police tend to deal quite harshly with black men. Bearing in mind this was not long after George Floyd. She knew perfectly well what she was doing, and her employer had every right to distance themselves from her. I would!
JesusInTheCabbageVan · 12/07/2021 17:31

@TotorosCatBus absolutely, that too, of course.

FootballisgoingtoRome · 12/07/2021 17:33

@3Britnee

But the incident had nothing to do with her work 🤷‍♀️

I believe the police should prosecute her, but its got nothing to with her job.

I’m sure rapists etc could say their actions have nothing to do with their work. A crime is crime .
Purpoole · 12/07/2021 17:33

Those who say they wouldn’t report it to someone’s employer- do you know how much damage people with those silently held views can cause?
These people are involved in HR practices, training people, potential clients getting declined for spurious reasons and so much more.
It’s naive to think that someone can completely divorce racist tweets or remarks/views held in their spare time, with conduct within work hours.

It needs calling out because otherwise nothing will ever change. Believe me, people’s views outside of work bleed through, they’re just more underhanded with it.

slashlover · 12/07/2021 17:36

Look at the woman that had that racist altercation with the bloke in the park. That has nothing to do with her work or employer but people hunted down her company and got her sacked.

Her company had to consider that if they didn't sack her then how much business would they lose by people deciding not to use their company?

AlternativePerspective · 12/07/2021 17:37

I believe the police should prosecute her, but its got nothing to with her job. given that most employers wouldn’t touch her with a barge pole if she had a criminal conviction, I don’t see what’s wrong with sacking someone if they obtain a conviction while in their employ.

VerticalHorizon · 12/07/2021 17:39

If I am honest, I'd have to try and understand the motive behind the comment / remark.

I firmly believe there's racism in all of us, but how we deal with it, and what are intent is, is hugely important.

Some comments are naturally insulting regardless of race, but when combined with a racial slur, they are provocative and full of malice.
Other racist comments can be as simple as a generalisation such as 'the Welsh are great singers'. There is no malice in that, but it's racist (not strictly a race, but in the wider context of xenophobia).

I think hand on heart, we all make value judgements on people. We see a skinhead with tattoos and we probably assume an aggressive personality. We see a frail old lady, and we assume a placid, well-mannered woman. In a similar way, if we want to paint a poster of England, we may well depict a man in a bowler hat, and if we want to depict a gang member from LA, chances we will create a black character. This is racism because we are making assumptions based on race.

In that sense, racism lurks in us all.

But this is a far cry from the vitriolic hatred of another race or culture. This is the person we tend to think of when we say 'RACIST!!!' - the nasty, vindictive insult hurling idiot.

So for me, I can find a case to want to educate some racists, and for others, I want to punish them. For me, there is a scale. That's not to say one form is less or more harmful than other, it is to say that the intent behind racism can vary massively, and it's important to assess that before we punish someone.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 12/07/2021 17:42

I hadn't seen the specific tweets when I posted. I was talking generally about what I would do if I saw someone I know posting something racist, as per the original post. I'm viewing on the app and the thread hadn't updated since I opened it.

I agree with what you say in this case.

I have reported people to the platform for sharing racist content but it has been much more low level than this. The sort of "English Jobs for English People" Daily Mail unpleasantness was more what I had in mind. Awful but I am not going to track down someone's employer to report it.

The post someone mentioned about lynchings is something that I think is a police matter, horrific. I feel rather naive for thinking people wouldn't post things like that and the Savills employee's tweet on a public platform where they can be identified.

FrippEnos · 12/07/2021 17:44

Being held to account is fine.

Trial by (social) media is not.

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 12/07/2021 17:47

@Purpoole

Those who say they wouldn’t report it to someone’s employer- do you know how much damage people with those silently held views can cause? These people are involved in HR practices, training people, potential clients getting declined for spurious reasons and so much more. It’s naive to think that someone can completely divorce racist tweets or remarks/views held in their spare time, with conduct within work hours.

It needs calling out because otherwise nothing will ever change. Believe me, people’s views outside of work bleed through, they’re just more underhanded with it.

Totally agree with you. Appalling racist, sexist, etc. comments aren't a comfortable pair of joggers you put on when you get home. It is a genuine reflection of who you are.

And well... I've got to say it. If this man feels comfortable enough to tweet such vile things, under his own name, with a photo of his face in his bio, with his job details, then presumably he felt just as comfortable at work expressing those views. Which reflects pretty badly on the culture at Savills that they employed and tolerated such bile. This wasn't a one off, he'd said similar things previously - and his alt a/c is even worse.

As for his being hacked, oh PLEASE.More than once, on curiously specific times & dates. Tweets that he didn't delete. Surely if you knew him, you'd say 'ummm... have you been hacked? This isn't like you.' Apparently no one did say that. So that is what everyone who knows him knows him to be. And by saying & doing nothing until now, they let him think it was ok.

VerticalHorizon · 12/07/2021 17:47

There are also some people who post racist comments, less to be racist, but more to be ultra-provocative. These sorts of people will use 'rape' or 'murder' too, just for sheer shock value.
There are a great number of these attention seeking morons on the net. They know full well that anything racist will draw attention, and they crave it.