Would you report racism? Re: Savills employee

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Following on from the Savills tweets where there employee used a racial slur regarding football last night and then made another tweet about domestic violence.
Would you report it if you saw a family member / friend etc posted something racist publicly? I think i would - i believe we should be actively anti racist not just let it slide past. I would feel slightly guilty but not overly to be honest. I also don't agree with the 'cancel culture' that goes on but people need to be held accountable for their actions!

@VerticalHorizon

Live by the sword, die by the sword

It's a very dangerous thing to do.

Want to get someone sacked? create a twitter profile in their name and post racist or sexist remarks... and let vigilantes do the rest.

Now, absolutely true perpetrators should be punished, but it's important that it's done the right way. Investigated properly and punished properly.
It is so dangerous to go down the vigilante route.

But… that’s exactly what his employer is doing?

But… that’s exactly what his employer is doing?

I'm not really talking about this specific case - more in general terms.
I'm just so wary of the dangers of howling mobs, in any form - physical or virtual.

I absolutely believe overtly racist posters should be punished, and heavily. I also believe that nowhere near enough is done to address it.
I just don't believe in folks taking matters into their own hands. I think they should be reported and folks should try and campaign for better standards of protection and greater consequences.

Jesus Christ. No I would not. If it was a friend or family member, I’d speak with them and tell them that I think they were wrong. Hopefully they’d change their views or behaviour after some reasoned discussion.

If it was a stranger, I’d ignore it. People are allowed to have horrible views in a free society, as long as they don’t act on them.

Those who are saying they’d dob in friends and family may as well go live in a North Korea, I’m sure the Kim’s will love you.

I’d report someone shouting racist abuse to a person in the street - or otherwise causing actual harm - to to the police.

People are allowed to have horrible views in a free society, as long as they don’t act on them.

This is a real philosophical problem for the ages this one.
Yes, on the one hand, free speech is a very precious thing, and we should do everything possible to preserve it.
On the other hand, with that comes responsibility.

There is a distinction between expressing and unpopular view, and incited hatred and knowingly inflicting pain, albeit verbally or literally.

Where we draw the line is a matter of debate, but society must draw such a line. The right of free speech must never be used as a veil for intentional malice.

his wife then said ‘you can’t say that or she’ll call you a racist.’

This is why it’s so important for white peoples to stand up to racism as if a non-white person does it they’re ‘playing the race card’.

It’s quite shocking to read the replies on here - that their employers shouldn’t be told, that they have freedom of speech, what about the white boys. These views show that many people don’t take racism seriously and that’s just because it doesn’t affect them.
I wonder if they’d have the same replies if the men were talking about raping women is it still freedom of speech then?

Yes. Even a family member.

Yes and I have. A colleague of mine used to share Britain First material on Facebook - the content itself wasn't explicitly racist but she is paid for a job which requires her to know better. I don't know if anything came of it, I deleted her but we reconnected and she no longer shares that shit.

I knew it would happen and so wasn't surprised but still find it infuriating. My ds is just starting to love football and talks about wanting to play for his country one day, when I see the abuse these young men have faced I hope he never does. There is a lot of talk about getting ethnic minorities involved in UK sport but if this is what you are faced with when you lose why would an asian or black parent encourage their kid to participate?

Let's see if the FA just offer lip service or actually ban racist fans for life.

Yes I would report.

Luckily we weed out anyone who has such views.
But if anyone I knew did anything like that......absolutely in a heartbeat, I would make it know who they were, I mean surely there are only 2 options
They are either
confident and proud enough to post it, they don't care who knows it them doing so,
Or
of course they are a horrid little bully, hiding behind their computer spouting their vile views in the hope no one knows it them.

So either of those deserve everyone knowing it was them. Scumbags.

There is a distinction between expressing and unpopular view, and incited hatred and knowingly inflicting pain, albeit verbally or literally.

Yes - in this case, the tweet included a slur, so very clearly crossed the line between expressing an unpopular view and inciting hatred/inflicting pain.

Yes definitely

There was also that report the other week about white working class boys being left behind and disadvantaged, at an appalling rate, because theres been so much focus on minorities

What has this got to do with anything?!

You’re the type of person that sees racism and says yeah well black people can be racist too.

I am a teacher and know full well the implications of disadvantaged white boys but it’s not as simple as it’s because we’ve been focusing too much on girls and minorities.

Him employer should be told - but by the relevant authorities once it's established this person HAS posted stuff.

Without that, you've just opened up a channel for any idiot to create 'James Smith of Asda' and post vulgar content in order to get them sacked.

It needs to be done properly.

Yep.
I reported a lecturer on Twitter who posted horrible things after Sarah everard was murdered. No regrets. I hope he got sacked.

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And no way was this guy hacked. Savill's have responded and now they'll just let it blow over.

There was also that report the other week about white working class boys being left behind and disadvantaged, at an appalling rate, because theres been so much focus on minorities

What's that got to do the topic of conversation?
Rich white boys giving taxpayer money to their friends will have a bigger negative impact than investing in minorities

I’d report someone shouting racist abuse to a person in the street - or otherwise causing actual harm - to to the police.

Your use of 'actual harm' here is incorrect. This insinuates people using social media to abuse others don't cause any 'actual harm' and this can only be done be done physically.

Well there's a huge number of celebrities (like Caroline Flack) and vulnerable people who have been unable to take the online abuse and ended their lives. The football player receiving racist abuse in question here, Saka is only 19!

Virtual abuse has physical consequences too.
Would you on this case still defend people who were being vile to these victims online?

I don't agree with piling on, but definitely their employers should be made aware and they should face the consequences of their actions. Not get away with it because it's 'only online abuse.'

Absolutely!

In a heartbeat.

The second they missed last night DH (who is black) said God, they are going to get horrifc abuse now.

We can't just not condone racism we have to actively challenge it and stand up for what is right.

@3Britnee not sure what that has to do with anything??

Abuse is abuse.

The medium used is irrelevant.

I’d report someone shouting racist abuse to a person in the street - or otherwise causing actual harm - to to the police.

Don't you think that young black men have enough to worry about without racists posting bile which is just going to embolden other racists?

@Annoyedandirritated

I’m sure he wasn’t hacked, it’s a convenient excuse that I can’t imagine will fly.

I’m very shocked though that he would spout such bile

I know him too and it's surprised me as well. But then I only worked with him a few years ago, not for very long, and didn't get to know him that well, so maybe this is the real him?

Absolutely, and I have. Not relative, colleague. But I’d report a relative.
Why would I do nothing and be complicit?

@Xansaf

If it’s on Facebook or something then I’d report it to the relevant platform.

To report it to their employer is nasty, wrong and underhand. They may have views you don’t share, they may not even be very nice views but they don’t deserve to lose their livelihood over them.

Not sure I agree with this. Many employers have a social media policy so people are aware that if you post something on there that contravenes that policy you could face disciplinary action.

What people put online is very public and if they put extreme views on there employers do tend to take a dim view of that as it tarnishes their reputation as well.