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Am I awful?

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Sqirrelly · 08/07/2021 11:09

When I had DS I had to quit work because the cost of childcare exceeded what I’d earn. Being stuck at home has made me very unhappy. I’m hoping to return to work in September when DS is entitled to free childcare. I’ve asked my retired mum to babysit DS while I work on distance learning qualifications to hopefully get back into the workplace in a better job. She’s downstairs in the lounge with him while I’m upstairs in the bedroom studying on my laptop. She drops in every weekday and watches him for maybe 2 hours, so over the course of a week I get about 10 hours to study.

But she’s letting him come upstairs to pester me all the time so I can’t study. When I bring him back downstairs repeatedly she’s saying stuff like how awful it is that I don’t want my own child and don’t have time for him. Mixed with comments about how she didn’t go back to work until I grew up and left home. It’s making me feel awful and preventing me studying.

I’ve said to her, do you realise that lots of women go back to work when they’re baby is six months old? And they work for 8 hours not just 2. She just shrugs her shoulders and pulls a face, and says well I think it’s awful to have a child and then just dump it on someone else.

If I could afford alternative childcare I’d arrange it, but I don’t have the money. Either my mum babysits or I can’t study at all. So I guess I have to put up with this. But it’s making me feel awful. I just really want to be able to study and have a future to look forward to, but I can’t get the time to myself.

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MrsKeats · 08/07/2021 15:27

I'm in my mid fifties and I would totally support my grown up daughters in further study,
Shocked that mothers are like this.
Would she feel like that with a son?

WhereYouLeftIt · 08/07/2021 15:28

@Sqirrelly

Saying that you're 'dumping' him on her says a lot about what she really thinks about spending time with young children... ! She loves kids. Just she thinks my child is my responsibility and I shouldn’t give him to anyone else. Because she always looked after her own child and she’s proud of that. She says she could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times she used a babysitter.
Sorry, this has turned out to be much longer than I intended.

This sparked a memory of a passage in one of my favourite books, where the main character is discussing with her teacher a scholarship, and the conversation turns to how her parents feel about it. Her father's proud of her, because he'd have loved to have had that opportunity at her age. Her mother is not! and the teacher tries to explain it - here's the passage that stuck with me.

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Has it ever occurred to you that when the daughter of a domestic-minded woman chooses to have a career she is criticising her mother by implication? She is saying, in effect: "The kind of life that was good enough for you, Mother, isn't good enough for me." Well, mothers - like other people - don't care for that very much.
'I hadn't looked at it that way before,' Diana admitted thoughtfully. 'You mean that, underneath, they are always hoping that their daughters will fail in their careers, and so prove that they, the mothers, I mean, were right all the time?'

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That was written in 1960!

You said your mother is PROUD of always looking after you. So when you try to study, it proves to her that you don't see it the same way, and yes, I think she's taking that as implicit criticism - that you don't see it as a source of pride and so - think she has nothing to be proud ofSad. I doubt she thinks that consciously, it's just eating away at her underneath. She's trying to help you by providing childcare (because she still sees her role as looking after you?), but by doing so she's undermining her sense of self, if you see what I mean?

Conversely, is she so adamantly pro motherhood-as-reason-for-being because she never had an actual choice to be anything else? Do your choices maybe introduce doubt in her that she didn't fight hard enough for herself way way back? Is it possible that when she was young she might have had ambitions that were drummed out of her by her upbringing/lack of choices available to her and she dealt with that by telling herself that what she had to be was really really what she wanted to be?

Add to either of these possibilities that (probably) in her day a family could live comfortably on one salary and that sort of reinforced the idea that it was 'right' to do so and I can kind of see what's underpinning her bunker mentality, and therefore her nastiness to you.

I think what I'm saying is, that her nastiness is not an attack on you - rather, that it's her being over-defensive about herself. It doesn't mean she thinks you're wrong to want what you want (although she clearly says so!), but I do think she may be frightened to accept that you don't want what she wants you to want.

It may be possible to defuse her a bit by praising her motherliness, acknowledging her pride in it, and your pride in her for being so? It may be that she's too defensive for that to be possible, tooSad.

Overall, I think the most practical course to take would be to delay your studying until your son is at nursery, and use that time to study before hitting the jobs market. Yes that will delay you, but September is just two months away. It could take you at least that long to work on your mother, her attitudes will be well-entrenched. I'd grit my teeth until then, but once September comes be ruthless in applying yourself to your ambitions - be uninfluencable be either your mother or your husband to just 'settle' for being what they are comfortable with.

Lucia574 · 08/07/2021 15:34

I’d get up at 6 am and work then. About 7 hours sleep is enough most nights. Give yourself a couple of mornings off. Use the time your mum’s there too,

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Polkadots2021 · 08/07/2021 15:37

@Sqirrelly

Saying that you're 'dumping' him on her says a lot about what she really thinks about spending time with young children... ! She loves kids. Just she thinks my child is my responsibility and I shouldn’t give him to anyone else. Because she always looked after her own child and she’s proud of that. She says she could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times she used a babysitter.
Tell her what was the point of all of that work looking after you then, if all she's going to do now is drag you down and kill your self esteem, and make you feel like a bad mother?
Picklesbaby · 08/07/2021 15:42

Your Mum is being rude with the comments Yes. No offence but if you really can’t stand it don’t carry on with the arrangement . Your not being supported.My ds is 12 month old and an awful sleeper . I study when he finally goes to bed at 9pm (or 8pm while hes asleep on the sofa next to me) my dh will even hold him at 9pm so he stays asleep so I can make a deadline. I do all the wake ups cause we’re still breastfeeding & my dh works similar hours to yours, but he still makes sure I get a couple of hours over the weekend for coursework whenever he is home.
You sound like you need a break and I honestly would start again in September and enjoy the time with your ds before he starts nursery.

Killahangilion · 08/07/2021 15:42

Stop blaming your mum!

You chose to have a child and if you want to improve your employment prospects by gaining more qualifications which is a great idea, then it’s something that you AND your partner need to resolve together.

I say this as someone who studied Law p/t whilst working a full time job compressed to 4 days. Maybe you’ll have to wait a bit longer until your child qualifies for some pre-school free hours?

The bashing of older people on this thread is also disgusting. Grandparents should not be expected to step in and mind grandchildren to facilitate anyone’s lifestyle. Occasional babysitting is fine but being an unappreciated and unpaid childminder is frankly, taking the piss.

My mum would have been in her late 90’s if she was alive now and went to ‘night classes’ when I was at school and earned qualifications to enable her to get a better job as my dad was an alcoholic and couldn’t be relied upon. Mum had to leave school at 14 to go to work and later got called up and served in the WAAF. After the war, she worked in factories for years until she gained some qualifications. Plenty of women carried on working after the war, if they were allowed to, but it wasn’t an easy option and the pay gap between men and women was shocking back in the 60’s and 70’s.

Fluffycloudland77 · 08/07/2021 15:47

It sounds like you’ve got more ambition and drive than your mum and partner. Neither are supportive of you.

Does your college have a crèche?.

ExD1938 · 08/07/2021 15:49

OK, I'm a Gran and most grans are capable of picking up a child and chasing after him when he runs away. We are usually able to close a door and keep a child in a room downstairs even if he throws a tantrum and screams the house down to get to you.
If your mum's not capable of this, do you think its fair to ask her to look after DS?

Having said that rather unhelpful remark - here's what I'd do. I'd lie.

I'd say someone (younger and fitter!) has approached you who is willing to watch DS for a couple or hours, starting in a couple of months (be vague) and who will guarantee to leave you free to study without interruptions. Don't elaborate, keep it vague the best lies don't go into elaborate detail in case you forget what you've said.
We grans just hate any suggestion that we are old and past it.
If she jumps at the idea you will know that its all too much, and you'll have to make alternative arrangements. But I think she'll realise she'll lose this precious time with her grandson, and will make a better effort to leave you in peace.
There are some very educational TV programmes for all ages.
I know its devious and not very nice, but I think she's feeling unappreciated. Well you did ask. .......

SixesAndEights · 08/07/2021 15:52

OP, do you have a car during the day? If you do, just drive for 5 mins, park up, then study. But I suspect if you have a boring 14 hour day then you don't have this. Try and hold out till September, it's not far away, only another few weeks to go. Can you make yourself a little chart of the days, and cross them off, then you can see that time is passing and the end is nearer?

I can sympathise about the sleep. I need at least 8 hours a night. I generally have less, but after about a week I need to sleep for a few hours during the day because I'm so tired and can't function. I was once so deprived of sleep that people thought I was psychotic and I had a two week stay in a psychiatric unit booked. I was so afraid of this, and knew deep inside I wasn't psychotic that I managed to get myself out of the situation I was in and went to stay with someone sympathetic for a couple of weeks. I went to bed almost the moment I got there and slept for 36 hours, only getting up for the loo. So I can appreciate the fear you have about sleep deprivation.

Once September comes and things are more settled, I'd have a good think about your partner, too, he doesn't seem particularly helpful, to say the least. Flowers

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 08/07/2021 15:53

@Severntrent

If I was you I'd get up about 6 and work then. It will be tiring but hopefully only for a few weeks. I'd like 8 or 9 hours sleep too but most people struggle to fit that in, especially when they are studying. It will be worth it! And then you don't need to put up with your mum!
I had very very active awake all the time children and was trying to work from home at the time so I really sympathise with what you are going through. I thin Severntrent might have your solution. Then you can give him breakfast take him out for a play in the park to tire him out before lunch and maybe even get a nap. or give him a bit of CBBs time whilst you catchup with things. If you built a regular routine between him and study, then you might be able to be less distracted. Its not forever, just until September thats about 7-8 weeks.

Your mum is a very reluctant child care provider and seems to be doing her best to make you give up. That is awful. It must be really hard to get such discouraging comments out of your head. She's really making a big thing about what a great mother she is and how much she sacrificed but a good mother to you wouldn't be so discouraging and guilt tripping.
I hope you don't let either your DH or your Mum derail you and once you are earning and DS is in proper nursery you can power on.

Challengerice · 08/07/2021 15:58

@Fluffycloudland77

It sounds like you’ve got more ambition and drive than your mum and partner. Neither are supportive of you.

Does your college have a crèche?.

As long as it doesn’t mean her setting an alarm to her up at the crack of dawn (7am)
Franklyfrost · 08/07/2021 16:06

Ten hours a week is totally doable while looking after a child. That’s less than an hour and a half a day. Let the kid watch tv for half an hour a day. That’s 3.5. Snacks the playdough at the table with you is half an hour a day. That’s another 3.5. Go to an enclosed playground and follow them around while doing some reading a couple of days a week. That’s 1.5. Get your partner to do half an hour child care. That’s 0.5. Go to bed half an hour later one hour a week. That’s 0.5. And the last half hour you will have to grab- I used to put a load of sand or rice in some kitchen ware. It’s messy but keeps them quiet and in one place. I’ve done more hours with more children at home and no help. You just have to time yourself and use the stress of it to make you efficient. Keep your eyes on the goal and if your mum doesn’t want to support you then don’t force her to.

HyggeTygge · 08/07/2021 16:08

[quote LookItsMeAgain]@Sqirrelly - what I would do is when you've finished your study for today, I'd pop your DS into a playpen if you have one so he is safe, give him a few toys/books to play with and have a chat with your mother. You need the chat to be about how she speaks to you.
When you had PND, she had no right to speak to you about your situation the way she did.
You need to get her on side and explain that by her helping you out, she is in fact helping her grandson out and helping to improve his life and his circumstances. Just because further education might not have been 'her' thing, doesn't mean that it can't be yours. These digs that she is making at your expense are not helpful. She has to get on board with this. She is spending time with her grandson. That's the way I'd spin it. So many grandparents don't get this amount of one-to-one time with their grandchildren. So many never meet their grandchildren and yet here she is bitching about whatever irks her today. Well that stops. Her grandson will start to pick up on it and when he does, she is perpetuating the misogyny of "A women's place is in the home" or "A woman's place is in the kitchen". You need to have that chat and it has to be sooner rather than later.[/quote]
No way would my nearly-3-y-o have gone in a playpen!
You're right that your dc will start picking up on the 'mummy doesn't care about you' bullshit.
Sorry you feel stuck, OP.

inappropriateraspberry · 08/07/2021 16:09

You could do 2 hrs work between 6 and 8am before your child wakes up. You'd still get 8hrs of sleep and the. Get 'ready' with you child at 8am.
But you also have problems with your mother's attitude and your husband's too.

MonicaGellerBing · 08/07/2021 16:11

Study on a night when he's in bed and tell your mum to sod off

MonicaGellerBing · 08/07/2021 16:12

Sorry just seen he goes to bed when you do. I'd try and get a new routine going so he goes to bed at 6/7pm

inappropriateraspberry · 08/07/2021 16:12

Also agree he needs to get to bed earlier.

Demortuisnilnisibonum · 08/07/2021 16:26

You need to get up at 6 to work. When DD was small, I used to set my alarm for 5.30, so I could get in some extra study before work. Hard, but worth it long term.

Demortuisnilnisibonum · 08/07/2021 16:28

DH still needs to help, however. Can he do more at weekends? Then perhaps you’d only need your mum for a day or two - or even not at all, hopefully, if you’re able to get up earlier.

Drinkingallthewine · 08/07/2021 16:29

You have my sympathies - I had a kid that needed little sleep, right from the newborn days. I tried CIO, I tried all the sleep books - honestly he's 9 and even now, he could go to bed at 2 am and still be up like a sodding lark by 8am. He nearly broke me and there's no way I could have studied when he was a toddler - certainly not in the house because he knew I was there and would interrupt me anyway.

Your mother's attitude is a disappointment to you I'm sure. My DM has similar views - her life ambition was to be a mother, and now she's a grandmother her entire interests revolve around us still. She's got no friends, no hobbies, no interest in anything except her siblings and talking about her offspring, which is beyond repetitive at this stage but that's her.

She's never babysat for me. She offered but when I tried to take her up on her offer she backed down. And he was an easy going baby and kid. One time I had a serious emergency and DH was the other side of the country. She suggested I leave DS with my neighbour who I barely knew. Hmm Yet she will drive 5 hours to babysit at the drop of a hat for my sister so she could go out to dinner with her husband.

So, what I did - I accepted that there were some things I would only get to do when my circumstances changed - when DS got older and childcare costs came down. And I parked my plans for a little while. I used other forms of childcare. I've never asked DM to babysit since. Now he's older, I've lots more free time and quiet time to concentrate on the study or projects I want.

There does not seem to be any solution here thats workable for you except to hold off another few months until the free childcare hours kick in. But what is clear is that her childcare offer comes with a side helping of not really being the childcare you need along with dollops of making you feel shit about wanting a life that's anything other than the life she had. She devoted her entire life to the vocation of motherhood and she still sounds like a shitty mother. Unless you had some sort of amazing childhood. But she doesn't sound like she likes you much.

You won't always be this trapped or reliant on people who don't have your back. Remember that. It's a couple of months of this life and then you can change it without relying on anyone. You can do this.

Anotheruser02 · 08/07/2021 16:29

I really feel for you, you are not awful and you do not need to grow up.

Not everyone finds toddlers stimulating, you are pretty much a single parent (I say that as a single parent). I think your mental health will benefit if you go to work. In your position I would get ANY job maybe two or three days a week and pay a childminder.

Even if you only break even as a house hold cost wise, I know we are supposed to work for income, but we get so much more from having structure to our week and being part of a workforce than just money you shouldn't be worse off even on minimum wage.

Clearly your horrible partner only respects you when you work so he will know on your work days you haven't had the chance to play on your phone and he can put his down and be a responsible parent when he gets in. If you don't have a joint account and access to his wages then he needs to find half of the cost of a childminder you are not his free labour.

YlangYlangYlangYlang · 08/07/2021 16:35

Has it been suggested that your mother takes him out to the swings or wander round the park? This should be fun for both of them. I think I'd be countering her snarky comments with "it's normal for children to spend some time with their grandparents too, and you won't get this chance once he's at nursery/school".

Contrary to everyone else, when I was a child in the 70s everyone's mum worked (bar one pair of friends - it was fascinating to me that she didn't work), as did my grandmother in the 1930s (took in washing, did cleaning), and every female member of our family. I think it's more of a class/cultural thing than an era thing.

The sleep thing is hard - I have more than 2 children, and what that showed me is that despite similar routines with all, they varied in how good they were at going down to sleep/staying asleep, but with all of them a routine was key. One of mine had a terrible time dropping off - needed a cry first it seemed... and on one memorable occasion she was returned to bed 36 times in an hour... but persisting with routine was worth it as even now at mid-teens she doesn't drop off quickly but knows sleep will come eventually (often 30-40 mins). But I used to get fed up with those smug "my kid sleeps so well and so easily because of our routine" - routine helps, but still kids vary. So do what you need to there.

Good luck!

Anotheruser02 · 08/07/2021 16:38

Someone posted on a different thread a great post about childcare inequality being abuse, if you read it you will remember it. I can't find it and the description of the OP's husband made me think of it.

If anyone posted on that thread would you be able to post it here to open the OP's eyes please?

AbsolutelySure · 08/07/2021 16:41

Can you start to impose a bedtime routine with him, putting him to bed at the same time each night so he knows it's bedtime and getting him up earlier. It takes effort but it would free you up. Mine were in bed by 7pm. One was no problem, the other would sit and play in her room until she fell asleep amongst her toys. At first she used to get up and down etc and it was hard work but they learn eventually

DuckPancake · 08/07/2021 16:45

Are your in-laws on the scene at all? Sorry if it's already been asked