Greek man confesses to killing his wife

[didihearthatright123456]

Right from the very start I knew it was him! That poor woman, having the life choked out of her for daring to leave her husband. A baby who will never know her mummy

Just heartbreaking

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9698321/Greek-husband-CONFESSES-murdering-British-wife-Caroline-Crouch-sources-say.html

Sorry for the daily shame link 😞

[Kinsters]

Awful and wholly unsurprising. Why are men like this?

I thought the story was strange. I have a daughter almost the same age as Caroline's baby and when reading the account of what supposedly happened that night I just couldn't fathom any new mother arguing with violent criminals to the extent that they would kill her. Not when she's got her baby with her. You'd do anything to protect your child, money be damned.

The Pyrenees case has gone very quiet. I thought they were going to resume searching for her in the spring/summer?

[Kinsters]

Just googled and the search for Esther has been resumed a couple of days ago, though not as intensive as it was when she first disappeared.

[NinaMimi]

According to the article they met 4 years ago so she would have been 16 and he was 29. Quite a difference. I wonder if there’s more likely to be abusive relationships with age differences like that as the woman matures and starts to act more independently after some years when she was basically a child.

[Nicolastuffedone]

I said it was him!

[shewalkslikerihanna]

I skimmed through it when the story appeared in the paper and I had the same gut instinct that it wasn’t right and the story just didn’t ring true.
Yes, I thought he was lying.
Yes I thought it was him.

[IheartJKR]

@AnotherKrampus. Yes , I observed this and it has made me very angry.
I believe it was written that out if ‘respect’, they didn’t arrest him until after the memorial service.
Respect for who exactly???

It reminds me of the bastard in Ireland who murdered his wife and beautiful children and they buried him with them.

Even in death the victims of male violence are not centred. The men are.

[huuuuunnnndderrricks]

Caught by the data on her smart watch! Genius!

[shewalkslikerihanna]

@SamW98
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Media reports are saying she had told him she was leaving and taking the daughter.

That’s the most dangerous time for a woman, when she says she’s leaving.

It made me think of oscar pistorius. How his story had more holes than a colander.

[HannaHat]

Absolute bastard. RIP Caroline ❤️

[ForkedIt]

I’ve just seen this. The age gap did make me raise my eyebrows when I originally saw the story but (stupidly) it didn’t cross my mind that he had done it. It seems so obvious now and I feel a fool for not connecting the dots.
Fucks sake.
And now I feel lucky that, whilst I have no intention to, I wouldn’t feel in danger if I told my husband I was leaving him. Which 1) shouldn’t be something I feel lucky about; 2) maybe I should feel in danger because it wasn’t on my radar in this story.

[Pumpkinpops]

I wondered about him being allowed to go to the memorial service too. I wonder if he said he would tell them everything if they let him go or something. Seems very strange.

[HannaHat]

[quote CarbsAreNotMyFriend]Heartbreaking 💔 I don't think it will ever end, but I hope we can get better at preventing it.

This is a really interesting study which shows there are clear indicators prior to a domestic murder. In reality though, I'm not sure there is much the police can do at these previous stages which could realistically prevent it.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-49481998.amp[/quote]
Dear God, that link says 30,000 women were killed worldwide in 2017 by a current or ex partner 😭😤

[WorkingItOutAsIGo]

RIP Caroline Crouch.

I feel so sorry for her daughter and her family. I hope they are able to bring the child up well away from her murdering father, but poor child with that legacy to live with.

[Sylvan92]

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal

Years and years ago, my mum and I met a British woman in a Greek airport who was fleeing her Turkish husband with their baby.

He'd kept her prisoner, effectively, for years. Hidden her passport, barely allowed her out of the house. Eventually she'd managed to find her passport, hidden it in the baby's pram, and took the baby "out for a walk."

She was able to get on a ferry to a Greek island and once there, called her parents who were able to book her on to the next flight to the UK, which coincidentally was ours. It was unfortunately delayed, which didn't help her nerves, but thank God she and the baby were able to get on and get away without him finding them.

Mum and I saw them being reunited with her family at the airport, that was such a joyful scene. I often think of her and wonder what happened to them both after that.

Thank god she escaped. So very, very sad that this poor woman didn't.

Omg what a story. I hope that woman is living a good life today.

[Kinsters]

@ForkedIt

I’ve just seen this. The age gap did make me raise my eyebrows when I originally saw the story but (stupidly) it didn’t cross my mind that he had done it. It seems so obvious now and I feel a fool for not connecting the dots.
Fucks sake.
And now I feel lucky that, whilst I have no intention to, I wouldn’t feel in danger if I told my husband I was leaving him. Which 1) shouldn’t be something I feel lucky about; 2) maybe I should feel in danger because it wasn’t on my radar in this story.

Don't trust any man. Not 100%. I live my DH, we have a happy life with our daughter and another on the way. I don't believe he would ever hurt me or DD. But I know it's not certain. Male relatives as well - DD will spend time with her uncles and grandfathers obviously, they love her and she loves them (or will once the pandemic is over and she can actually meet them). I'd never imagine that it was something that couldn't happen to me or my daughter though.

[supercee]

I honestly could scream at not being able to read one thread on here, not one fucking thread, discussing the problem of male violence towards women without someone piping up with NAMALT.

RIP Caroline Crouch.

[BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz]

@Kinsters

Just googled and the search for Esther has been resumed a couple of days ago, though not as intensive as it was when she first disappeared.

I think the local authorities are hoping that the walkers who will soon be travelling to and hiking the area will uncover something.

It's too big an area to only use officials to search.

[Kinsters]

I hope somebody finds her.

[Trevsadick]

The police will have waited until after memorial for a reason. We just don't know what it is yet.

Some mentioned their age gap not being relevant earlier. I think its is relevant. He was 29 and she was 16. At 16 she won't have known that was a red flag, but yes it was.

I saw earlier in the case that they were all seeing a therapist, Caroline due to PND. But he was seeing the same one as well.

Its not unusual for abusers to try and convince their victims and everyone else that their victim is crazy, or depressed or unable to care for the kids.

I would bet all the money I have ever had that, there's a long history of abuse here, that he pushed for diagnosis of pnd to stop her leaving and taking the baby. When it became clear it wasn't working out his way, he killed her.

Its a devastating story and, heart breakingly, it's not unique.

[PegasusReturns]

Glad he hasn’t got away with it.

Like everyone else I just knew it was him. The fighting when you have a tiny baby, the DH being unharmed, strangulation as the method and most of all his keenness to discuss it with the press.

I hope Caroline’s baby is well cared for.

[captainprincess]

How utterly heartbreaking and what an evil man, and the fact he drowned the dog too

[BountyIsUnderrated]

This is why so many women are afraid to leave.
Poor baby has lost both of her parents now. I hope this man stays in prison for life, the amount of planning that went into this is just gruesome.

[JengaJuice]

There is an interesting presentation online by Jane Monckton Smith which examines a couple of high profile cases. She’s well known for her research into feminine in domestic abuse cases.

www.womensaid.ie/assets/files/pdf/jane_monckton_smith_powerpoint_2018_compatibility_mode.pdf

I’m glad that they have a confession from him. Absolutely horrendous case.

[Polyethyl]

Who will raise the baby.
The Greek relatives or the British relatives?

[FannyCann]

I wonder what sort of sentence would be expected in Greece, I hope it's a good long one.

Also, if he were to be released at some point before the baby has reached adulthood what access he would have. I'm trying to remember the case and it's eluding me but I'm sure I remember a case where the man had a relatively short sentence and then had custody of the children. Maybe I'm thinking of OJ Simpson but I feel there was a U.K. case.