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Mumsnetters who support trans women, please comment here

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LiberaceTrumpet · 13/06/2021 14:19

Mumsnetters who are gender critical - please please do not comment here, this is not a discussion thread, I just want to see if there are other people here who share my views.

I believe feminism is nothing if not intersectional.

I feel really alone on mumsnet. Every time I come on and want to get advice about something or just waste five minutes there's always another trans thread. Maybe this website is not the place for me?

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PattyPan · 15/06/2021 15:26

@PennyArcade

MouseyTheVampireSlayer

Exactly 👏👏👏

I’ll also add that the only people who get excited about WANTING to wear sanpro have obviously not experienced the NEED to wear sanpro - or the symptoms

I agree with the general principle of what you’re saying but I have PCOS so when I get my period it’s usually been about 4 months and I am excited. Then it hurts and I am less excited again as you say. But each month I don’t get a period I still wish I had (and therefore wish to use sanpro) because that would mean I were healthy, despite the pain and other symptoms.
Helleofabore · 15/06/2021 15:26

I don't think I have ever had a period without significant pain, often flooding, and even for the past 15 years mild flu like symptoms the night before. And then yes, Wrongsideofhistorymyarse the symptoms you mention too.

And of course the nausea. And some of those symptoms during ovulation too.

I am quite surprised to hear that someone could forget that are having a period.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 15/06/2021 15:29

I think cycle hormones also affect you considerably if you're on antidepressants.
Which is quite common.

CatherinedeBourgh · 15/06/2021 16:37

@MouseyTheVampireSlayer

I also know periods affect different sports in different ways. I just know how it affects my own sport, but I'm sure there are many ways I haven't considered. Catherine it sounds like you aren't particularly active yourself and so assume other women aren't/don't need to as an overextension.
I do 2-3 hours of exercise on top of an active lifestyle, so would say I’m more than averagely active. I’ve been on safari and diving, just put in a tampon in the morning and remove it at the end of the day. Has never crossed my mind it could be a problem.

To me your periods do sound like you have a health issue, as you’ve said you might, and I’m sorry you have to go through that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2021 16:43

Has never crossed my mind it could be a problem.

It's quite clear you don't have much idea about how other women (that's female people) live their lives. Spectacular lack of empathy. Not uncommon, in my experience, among the #bekind brigade.

CatherinedeBourgh · 15/06/2021 16:50

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Has never crossed my mind it could be a problem.

It's quite clear you don't have much idea about how other women (that's female people) live their lives. Spectacular lack of empathy. Not uncommon, in my experience, among the #bekind brigade.

That’s why I was asking. None of the women I have met (and they are lots, I went to a large girls only school) ever told me they had an issue apart from one or two who had medical conditions. Most of my friends now are post menopausal so don’t have them either.

It’s interesting to find out that for some women it’s different. That's why I spend time on mumsnet, tbh. To learn about how others see the world. If it was the same as I do, I’d have got bored years ago.

Helleofabore · 15/06/2021 16:51

Right getting back to the OP.

Just repeating that I support trans people.

I also look forward to an answer from those supporting the OP as to whether they believe that the rights set aside for women, females to be precise, are to be valued less than those for transpeople?

Thanks OP for starting this thread though.

It has been very illustrative and enlightening... and entertaining.

Oneliner · 15/06/2021 16:52

A lot of poorly formed arguments here to justify transphobia. Transmen, transwomen, transpeople, the majority of people are not threatened by how you wish to identify and you are wholly supported.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2021 16:53

Perhaps they didn't want to discuss their periods? This is an anon forum where women are likely to be more open and also be seeking advice and support. Heavy or painful periods which definitely impede your life when you are experiencing them are not at all uncommon, and they can change through life, even if you've never had issues in the past.

Helleofabore · 15/06/2021 16:57

That’s why I was asking. None of the women I have met (and they are lots, I went to a large girls only school) ever told me they had an issue apart from one or two who had medical conditions.

Maybe because we were conditioned from a very early age to not discuss periods, even with our friends. And maybe because the three male doctors I went to who treated me as a dramatist with a breezy 'millions of other women just deal with them, why can't you'. Got told the same for significant morning sickness too just last decade.

Pretty dehumanising. And now, of course, we are still dehumanised by being called 'people to menstruate' or menstruators etc.

CatherinedeBourgh · 15/06/2021 16:57

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Perhaps they didn't want to discuss their periods? This is an anon forum where women are likely to be more open and also be seeking advice and support. Heavy or painful periods which definitely impede your life when you are experiencing them are not at all uncommon, and they can change through life, even if you've never had issues in the past.
So how does me not knowing represent a spectacular lack of empathy? Am I supposed to be psychic or just know by virtue of being a woman, despite never having been through it or met anyone who told me about going through it?
midgedude · 15/06/2021 17:00

www.nhs.uk/conditions/heavy-periods/

Helleofabore · 15/06/2021 17:02

@Oneliner

A lot of poorly formed arguments here to justify transphobia. Transmen, transwomen, transpeople, the majority of people are not threatened by how you wish to identify and you are wholly supported.
Excellent Oneliner

Can you confirm that you believe that the rights set aside for women, females to be precise, are to be valued less than those for transpeople?

I asked it several pages ago, but maybe the thread was moving so quickly you missed it?

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 15/06/2021 17:04

You do all day dives on one tampon.
That's the most interesting thing that never happened I have read today.
I see you totally ignored my point about how sensitive skin on my period effects my sport. It's a we'll known thing that the instructors regularly discuss.

I mean, your comments absolutely smack of me me me so I can't take you seriously.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 15/06/2021 17:06

Catherine, I just told you my experience and you immediately discounted it.
That shows a lack of understanding that other people might have different experiences.

00100001 · 15/06/2021 17:07

@Oneliner

A lot of poorly formed arguments here to justify transphobia. Transmen, transwomen, transpeople, the majority of people are not threatened by how you wish to identify and you are wholly supported.
Indeed, and none is saying anything but they support the rights of transpeople!

However,they also are saying that the rights of a transperson doesn't trump the rights of females.

They ask that all people are able to live without fear.

And part of that means keeping sex segregated spaces available.

Unless if course,you mean that transpeople have more right to safety/inclusion/understanding/support than others??

Helleofabore · 15/06/2021 17:07

A lot of poorly formed arguments here to justify transphobia.

Please report any transphobia that you see.

Transmen, transwomen, transpeople, the majority of people are not threatened by how you wish to identify

To be fair, I don't believe that many people are 'threatened' by how people wish to identify. I do think however, that there is plenty of discussion to be had around the areas of conflicts between females and trans people.

It is dishonest to ignore such conflicts and plenty of these conflicts have been laid out in this thread. But crack on ignoring them.

and you are wholly supported.

Yes. You are supported by all but one person I think on this entire thread.

Go Equality! You absolute CHAMPION!

midgedude · 15/06/2021 17:09

It isn't identity that is threatening

It's the removal of sex based rights and suppprt that some want to validate their identity that is threatening

BrimfulOfBaba · 15/06/2021 17:10

Just here to let OP know I also think feminism must be intersectional and I support transwomen, transmen, and inclusivity.

I find a lot of vitriol targeted towards transwomen here, especially (and confusingly) in regards to language that's meant to be inclusive of transMEN.

Anotheruser02 · 15/06/2021 17:12

just put in a tampon in the morning and remove it at the end of the day. Has never crossed my mind it could be a problem.

Not trying to be a knob, but if that's true you need to make yourself familiar with what TSS is.

midgedude · 15/06/2021 17:13

I am not going to be inclusive of male bodied people in my feminism , kind of stupid wouldn't it be

And feminism that excludes women is double stupid

midgedude · 15/06/2021 17:13

Go on get the last word op

SJWsatitagain · 15/06/2021 17:13

Glad this thread is over. Same arguments and explanations over and over!

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