Mumsnetters who support trans women, please comment here

[LiberaceTrumpet]

Mumsnetters who are gender critical - please please do not comment here, this is not a discussion thread, I just want to see if there are other people here who share my views.

I believe feminism is nothing if not intersectional.

I feel really alone on mumsnet. Every time I come on and want to get advice about something or just waste five minutes there's always another trans thread. Maybe this website is not the place for me?

I support trans women. Always have,

[quote GrammarTeacher]@GreyhoundG1rl the relentless refers to people being unprepared to accept that many feminists agree that trans women are women. We are feminists and we are just as entitled to our opinions. I don't particularly wish to be drawn into a pointless discussion on a Sunday though. I won't change your mind, you won't change mine. But not everyone on MN agrees with the dominant (by volume) view on the Feminist board.[/quote]
With respect, if you can't be bothered to argue your point of view, then you can't really complain when people don't agree with your point of view!

[quote GrammarTeacher]@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman I don't think I'm outnumbered. I think many many people ignore the feminist board now which is a huge huge shame. [/quote]
But this post isn't on the feminist board. Anyone can comment. If people are sure of their beliefs, they'd comment, surely? I have, under various names, stood up for some unpopular ideas on MN. Nobody is stopping others doing that, except themselves.

I support trans people, I think we're all fighting for equality. I listened to a very inspiring talk last week from a trans woman discussing her journey. The amount of abuse she receives online and in real life is just unacceptable, we should all be an ally to ensure everyone is treated fairly and with respect.

Although I also believe that biological sex matters for the purpose of statistics , legislative purposes and for such things as competition sport etc.

I too believe that transwomen should be entitled to all legal and civil protections as everyone -- but not at the expense of women's sex-based rights and safe spaces.
I think you'll find many trans women agree with this too.

Yes.

Your question is too broad. Support all transwomen in what? It's like asking 'do you support Buddhists?'

[quote LiberaceTrumpet]**@somethinghastogive46* and @SionnachRua* thank you. It's good to know I'm not alone. I don't really know what to do - it feels wrong to keep coming here sometimes and contributing to mumsnet's profits through seeing their ads. To me it feels like a really different place than it used to be because of all this. Perhaps I should leave, but then that gives the impression that all "British mums" feel this way, when I suspect (hope) it's just a vocal minority.

I wish someone would set up a British parenting forum that takes a trans-inclusive stance, to be honest. The way that people here spend hours coming up with theories and conspiracies and banding together in them doesn't sit right with me. It reminds me of the way incels talk online, weirdly.[/quote]
I support transwomen but I also support segregation of certain spaces based on sex rather than gender. Not sure if I'm supposed to post on this thread or not?

Anyway I have no interest in the billions of threads on trans issues and feminism, so I hid the feminism board and now I only see the odd one on "trending" that I just don't click on. It's not difficult to ignore.

I find it ironic that the OP compares those with 'GC' views to Incels, when the TRA movement has members that have threatened women with rape and death and hound them out of their jobs if they don't agree with them. There is no such thing as debate anymore, you are either an ally or an enemy, when we all know real life just isn't that simple.

Did anyone ever dream that we would reach a point in history when it was deemed controversial to state that an adult human female is a woman and that if you have a penis you are a man?

Lots of ' i believe statements ...we are are all absolutely entitled to believe what we want but we can't insist that other people share our beliefs.

It is also really insulting to those of us (and there are lots) who have trans friends and family members, to suggest that because we believe in science we are "anti-trans rights". I guess you want to believe we are all right-wing bigots - we are not.

[quote LiberaceTrumpet]**@somethinghastogive46* and @SionnachRua* thank you. It's good to know I'm not alone. I don't really know what to do - it feels wrong to keep coming here sometimes and contributing to mumsnet's profits through seeing their ads. To me it feels like a really different place than it used to be because of all this. Perhaps I should leave, but then that gives the impression that all "British mums" feel this way, when I suspect (hope) it's just a vocal minority.

I wish someone would set up a British parenting forum that takes a trans-inclusive stance, to be honest. The way that people here spend hours coming up with theories and conspiracies and banding together in them doesn't sit right with me. It reminds me of the way incels talk online, weirdly.[/quote]
What I don't support is the creation of threads to moan at MNetters and MN, call them a lot of unjustified names and try and create a visual impression that fits your narrative.

@ShirleyPhallus

I support trans women

I also believe that sex cannot be changed and that the current trans movement is damaging to feminism

It’s possible to be both

This.

I am absolutely fed up of the lie that GC women do not support trans women.

Obviously I have never come across a debate where one side (proponents of this particular and new gender theory) argue against points that their 'opponents' have never made! Honestly, surely its just basic that if you enter into a discussion, the first thing you do is try to understand the other side's point of view?!

But instead its just been 'throw enough mud at our 'opponents' and hope it sticks.

I don’t really understand. Are you here to see if others support gender and not sex stance and want a reasoned discussion? Or just a list of people saying ‘yes’?

I’ve worked in sex change clinics as a nurse. I’ve worked in organisations where I provided one to one support for anyone with mental health difficulties with many trans women/men/gay - seeking support. I’ve had close gay friends who also dressed as women sometimes and now some of them permanently.

Is that what you were after?

@LiberaceTrumpet are you looking for people who have completely unconditional acceptance of transwomen as women and their right to access all the sex-based rights fought hard for and won by women. Is that what you want?

I'm with you OP. I an disheartened by the many untruths and fearmongering which is prevelant on here. Its one thing to be gender critical, which in some ways I can get behind, but the constant painting of transpeople as dangerous predators, perverts and delusional people makes me sad. I've hidden the FWR forum but it's getting more and more difficult to escape it.

I support Trans people and everyone in living the life they want to live.
I also support women and girls rights too and will argue for those not to be eroded.

What were you wanting us all to say OP? If this site isn’t for you then it isn’t for you. There are other forums available

Not a single person has come on here to say that transpeople are dangerous predators, perverts or delusional. We are simply saying that sex is real and there is a need for women to hold onto their sex-based rights.

I support trans women

I also believe that sex cannot be changed and that the current trans movement is damaging to feminism

It’s possible to be both

Yup

There are people out there who genuinely do not support transwomen. Who are involved in discrimination, hatred and violence against them.
The majority of those people are male, and are certainly not comparable to how feminists posting on mumsnet feel or behave.

Why did you all come here so quickly when I asked you please not to?

Because you misrepresented (I'm being polite) about position in a way that slurred us.

Can't you see how you're silencing other viewpoints and beliefs on this website?
You start a thread telling a group of people not to speak then accuse others of silencing?

the constant painting of transpeople as dangerous predators, perverts and delusional people makes me sad.
I'm pretty sure that would be against MN rules but I have never seen it happen. Please feel free to show me examples.

I support trans women.

Why did you all come here so quickly when I asked you please not to? Are other viewpoints just not allowed on this website?

This is pretty ironic since the only person trying to police the views posted, is you.

Whatever the issue (trans rights, the environment, politics, covid, anything), a thread saying “only post here if you agree with me!” is silly and is always going to attract the full range of views on the issue.

@LiberaceTrumpet I'm with you on this one, not just you.

I 100% support trans women

I believe they have the right to be safe and respected. I also believe they have the right to be validated

However, I also believe women should have the right to have female only prisons, bathrooms, hostels and hospital wards

Women are women
Trans women are trans women.

That is as simple as that

@LiberaceTrumpet

I wish someone would set up a British parenting forum that takes a trans-inclusive stance, to be honest.

Do it yourself?