Does it make someone a LGBTQ ally if they wear the pride lanyard but object when a transgender person uses their restroom ?

[thecatmother]

In my workplace we are very open and inclusive and many colleagues chose to wear their IDs on the Pride lanyards and are very active participants in all the Pride related events.
So far so peaceful, or so I thought, we had a new colleague joining recently, it is a lady who is transitioning from being born a man. She is very polite and just gets on with her work and day. I wasn't surprised to see her using the Ladies, unfortunately a number of my colleagues have formed an opinion about that. The management has been supporting the new colleague, and they held "conversations " with the complaining parties.
However, those people are still wearing their Pride lanyards, I can't get my head around that. The lanyards are purely on volunteer basis, we have generic ones. I generally wonder whether they actually realise that being an ally is not about getting drunk on Pride , but actually to be supportive to the people of LGBTQ.

@angelamysteroio

In the way that they would prefer to use the women's toilet.

I agree with the previous poster who said the pride flag is LGBT. I could not and would not object to a trans woman using the women’s toilets at work. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me (especially on Mumsnet) but there it is.

Most wear them at work

I have one but it’s a simple biological fact that trans women are not women they are male

Abs I do not wish to share a female only space with males

I support rights to be treated with respect and kindness but I don’t support lies

If people have issues sharing toilets with other women, they should be the ones shunted off to these other spaces you think exist.

I support LGB. I'd wear a pride lanyard for that reason. They fought long and hard for their identity and rights. And now anyone can chuck a letter on.

Those who don’t mind a transwoman using the women’s toilet - would you also not mind a man using the women’s toilet?

[quote Sally872]@angelamysteroio

In the way that they would prefer to use the women's toilet.[/quote]
So anyone who would “prefer” to use the women’s is allowed? It’s basically a free for all?

[quote FelicityBeedle]@Aroundtheworldin80moves
That’s not this scenario though. Besides nobody, particularly trans people, flaunts their genitalia in changing rooms. Even if they did, will the sight of a dick make you swoon?[/quote]
No it would cause a PTSD flashback. Something I can't control.

Saying gender is the same as sex oversimplifies a complex situation. Single sex facilities exist for a reason. No one knows whether the women uncomfortable with the situation have a reason for their feelings.

Isn't being gay same-sex attraction? But trans people say that belief in biological sex is not worthy of respect in a dignified society? Or in this case is being gay being attracted to someone of the same gender identity regardless of their biological sex?
Not trying to be goady, just trying to keep up with what the current view actually is.

If anyone feels unsafe using the male toilets in a workplace, is it not time for the management to have a 'word' with the men and politely ask them not to attack anyone using the facilities?

Should not have said real men. Apologies.

@FelicityBeedle

If people have issues sharing toilets with other women, they should be the ones shunted off to these other spaces you think exist.

So by “people” you mean “women” and by “other women” you mean “transwomen”? Complicated.

@Sally872

I think having someone who is a trans man in a female toilet would be more upsetting to someone who needs a female space than having a trans women in the toilet.

Also perhaps real men will claim to be trans men to use the female toilets and would be even worse a situation for those trying to protect female spaces.

Why, what do you think trans men look like? Your gender is an innate sense of being, it doesn't necessarily affect your looks - bit offensive to suggest it does.

@FelicityBeedle

Pride flag is LGBT, if you wear it and don’t support the T you’re an awful hypocrite in my opinion and I won’t think much of you

This.

But they're not women are they, they are males that want to present in whatever way they think women do.

And the screaming of transphobia doesn't work anymore, everything is transphobic now. I bet you've got some opinions that would be considered transphobic too.

Don't think male rapists who say they are women should be in women's prisons - transphobe.
Don't think males should be in women's sports - transphobe.
Want to request a woman to do your smear - transphobe.

Nothing but complete capitulation is enough.

All of you saying that you're fine with transwomen using women's spaces should think through what the endpoint of all this is.

Sex is biological and binary in law, and that's the legal position and the EHRC's position.

It's such a shame that confusion arose with some wrong guidelines, but they're now being gradually withdrawn.

Oh and I do mind, btw, very much so, about it all. Just saying.

I will always support the LGB. The rest? No.

[quote FelicityBeedle]@Aroundtheworldin80moves
A woman who is triggered by a tattoo won’t call for tattooed women to be banned from changing rooms, a woman who is triggered by self harm scars won’t call for people with those to be banned. Both of those examples are considerably more common as well. I am deeply sorry that it happens to you but it is your responsibility to avoid environments where you can be triggered, in this case by changing in a toilet cubicle or similar.[/quote]
This is so offensive and disgusting I don’t even know where to begin.

@Snugglepumpkin

I 100% support LGB rights & would defend them if required.

I 100% do not support any of the other letters or think they have anything in common with LGB.

I 0% support the idea of men in the womens toilets.

Yup.

To an extent, I think Labour in Hartlepool might reflect on this.

I'm L and marched at Pride in the dark ages. I'm now quite wary of people wearing the Pride lanyards as they can stand for political beliefs that show no respect or care for many women's needs and realities, deny their voices and experiences, and want to remove sex based rights and spaces regardless of the impact on many women that this will have.

I support care and respect for everyone and inclusion approaches that have equality of values and care for all, and which work for everyone, not a hierarchy of who matters and who doesn't.

Besides nobody, particularly trans people, flaunts their genitalia in changing rooms

Except...

[quote FelicityBeedle]@Aroundtheworldin80moves
A woman who is triggered by a tattoo won’t call for tattooed women to be banned from changing rooms, a woman who is triggered by self harm scars won’t call for people with those to be banned. Both of those examples are considerably more common as well. I am deeply sorry that it happens to you but it is your responsibility to avoid environments where you can be triggered, in this case by changing in a toilet cubicle or similar.[/quote]
This is one of the grossest things I've ever read on here.
This is what advocates of abolishing single-sex spaces think.

@overnightangel

Very harsh to delete a biscuit, for all we know the may identify as , who is anyone on here to judge?

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