Does it make someone a LGBTQ ally if they wear the pride lanyard but object when a transgender person uses their restroom ?

[thecatmother]

In my workplace we are very open and inclusive and many colleagues chose to wear their IDs on the Pride lanyards and are very active participants in all the Pride related events.
So far so peaceful, or so I thought, we had a new colleague joining recently, it is a lady who is transitioning from being born a man. She is very polite and just gets on with her work and day. I wasn't surprised to see her using the Ladies, unfortunately a number of my colleagues have formed an opinion about that. The management has been supporting the new colleague, and they held "conversations " with the complaining parties.
However, those people are still wearing their Pride lanyards, I can't get my head around that. The lanyards are purely on volunteer basis, we have generic ones. I generally wonder whether they actually realise that being an ally is not about getting drunk on Pride , but actually to be supportive to the people of LGBTQ.

Cookies in the restrooms, macaroni bars in the cludgies, aye.

Or macaroon bars, even. Lees, obvs.

I don't think they're really allies then, seems hypocritical that they are wearing it, pride is the whole thing these days. It's particularly vile if straight "allies" are claiming to be supporting pride and yet being unaccepting in this case. They need to get themselves a different flag.

@pheebumbalatti - or the “T” need to get their own flag.

@thecatmother

I am clearly extremely naive, as I didn't realise the range of emotions this would bring. I just understood everyone being under the same umbrella. I need to educate myself on the subject.

You'll need to take provisions for your journey. There is a lot to it.

Start here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

and then look into the conflicts between lesbians and some trans activists, covered here at Lesbian and Gay News.

lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/02/get-the-l-out-the-lesbian-protest-group-speaking-for-themselves/

Hmm, if you’re working on a first come first served basis, surely the newcomers should “get themselves a different flag” 🤔

You can be supportive but still not want to share restrooms with someone with a penis.

Pride flag is LGBT, if you wear it and don’t support the T you’re an awful hypocrite in my opinion and I won’t think much of you

@pheebumbalatti

I don't think they're really allies then, seems hypocritical that they are wearing it, pride is the whole thing these days. It's particularly vile if straight "allies" are claiming to be supporting pride and yet being unaccepting in this case. They need to get themselves a different flag.

(If I was of the lanyard-wearing type) How would I show I am an LGB ally but don't buy into the T+ impact on women's rights? This post would suggest that the rainbow is not for me but I take it if I wore some sort of symbol to show support of the LGB I would be on the receiving end of the sort of attack that the LGB Alliance sustained?

@FelicityBeedle what does “support the T” mean?

I’ve fought for LGBT rights my entire adult life - for non discrimination in services, employment, education etc. I was not campaigning for intact males to undress in the open plan changing rooms at my gym or for rapists to be housed in women’s prisons.

@HermioneWeasley In this case it seems to be a woman daring to use a (presumably cubicled) bathroom. Why don’t you care about this woman’s safety in having to use the men’s toilets? Also don’t call someone people who identify (and are!) women male, it’s rude and I don’t believe MNHQ approve either

Perhaps your management should be looking at providing third spaces for mixed sex use, then your T colleague could have a place where they are able to avoid confronting their dysphoria in the gents, and the women in your office can continue to have their legally assured single sex spaces

[quote FelicityBeedle]@HermioneWeasley In this case it seems to be a woman daring to use a (presumably cubicled) bathroom. Why don’t you care about this woman’s safety in having to use the men’s toilets? Also don’t call someone people who identify (and are!) women male, it’s rude and I don’t believe MNHQ approve either[/quote]
The person under discussion is a transwoman.

Don't educate yourself on mumsnet. Most extreme views on this I have ever seen.

I agree they should not be preventing their colleague using the female toilet. Unless they are genuinely concerned it is an elaborate plan to gain access to a toilet to attack a female.

It isn't a public toilet it is a staff toilet. They arent talking generally or protecting spaces for all women. They are trying to prevent a particular person using a female toilet. Horrible behaviour.

@MrsWooster A trans woman is a woman

I think I’d play it safe if I worked there and swap my office chair for a commode and just relieve myself at my desk without further ado.

What does 'transitioning' mean?

I work with a trans woman. She's uses the women's toilets.
No issues about that in our workplace.

What it wasn't a toilet, but an open plan changing room?

[quote FelicityBeedle]@MrsWooster A trans woman is a woman[/quote]
In what way?

@Sally872

Don't educate yourself on mumsnet. Most extreme views on this I have ever seen.

I agree they should not be preventing their colleague using the female toilet. Unless they are genuinely concerned it is an elaborate plan to gain access to a toilet to attack a female.

It isn't a public toilet it is a staff toilet. They arent talking generally or protecting spaces for all women. They are trying to prevent a particular person using a female toilet. Horrible behaviour.

Agree. The amount of transphobia on here is scary.

I think the two differs views can be held, as they are two different subjects. I don't personally think wearing a lanyard to show support of a view is something to be encouraged - in some colleges and schools it is encouraged but just because you don't were that particular lanyard doesn't mean you don't agree. I really believe that whilst at work your behaviour has to fit your contractual agreement but the employer does not own your head - in that your views are your own

I work with a trans woman. She's uses the women's toilets.
No issues about that in our workplace.

Some women will have issues with it, in their places of work. I’d rather respect their wishes.

Why don’t you care about this woman’s safety in having to use the men’s toilets?
This ^ agree @FelicityBeedle