Does it make someone a LGBTQ ally if they wear the pride lanyard but object when a transgender person uses their restroom ?

[thecatmother]

In my workplace we are very open and inclusive and many colleagues chose to wear their IDs on the Pride lanyards and are very active participants in all the Pride related events.
So far so peaceful, or so I thought, we had a new colleague joining recently, it is a lady who is transitioning from being born a man. She is very polite and just gets on with her work and day. I wasn't surprised to see her using the Ladies, unfortunately a number of my colleagues have formed an opinion about that. The management has been supporting the new colleague, and they held "conversations " with the complaining parties.
However, those people are still wearing their Pride lanyards, I can't get my head around that. The lanyards are purely on volunteer basis, we have generic ones. I generally wonder whether they actually realise that being an ally is not about getting drunk on Pride , but actually to be supportive to the people of LGBTQ.

@JustSomeDude123

didnt read but off the title. dont claim to be an lgbt ally if you arent okay with a trans dude using the mens restroom or trans woman using the female restroom. its just obnoxious and is like saying "im not racist" but clenching your purse when a black person comes in the room

No problem. I'm not an ally.

I don't wear lanyards because I am concerned that someone might use them to strangle me.

I also go to toilets on a different floor from where I am located because I cannot guarantee that only female-bodied women use the ones on my floor.

No problem. I'm not an ally.

The idea of allies is a fairly modern one isn't it?
In the 80s and 90s when being gay was still not accepted in the mainstream allies would have been actually doing things like campaigning for gay marriage etc.
Now being an ally seems to involve hounding people on social media and making statements with little hearts at the end of the nonsense. 🤍

They really are.

nolongersurprised

I see the sarcasm in what you have written, and I probably shouldn't but this

they understood that men, woman, all those labels were unimportant, everyone there just wanted to pee.

about labels is exactly what TRAs etc. are promoting and I can't see them ever wanting to let go of them as it would reduce their already shaky arguments to nothing.

But I thought we were the witches? Surely we need flying primates to complete the look.

@SunnydaleClassProtector99

The idea of allies is a fairly modern one isn't it? In the 80s and 90s when being gay was still not accepted in the mainstream allies would have been actually doing things like campaigning for gay marriage etc. Now being an ally seems to involve hounding people on social media and making statements with little hearts at the end of the nonsense. 🤍

I agree but isn't the term for this virtue signalling?

They're not promoting the erosion of labels though, they're promoting the redefining of the labels but they still want the binary boxes.
Otherwise it would be transwomen are people not transwomen are women.

@JustSomeDude123

didnt read but off the title. dont claim to be an lgbt ally if you arent okay with a trans dude using the mens restroom or trans woman using the female restroom. its just obnoxious and is like saying "im not racist" but clenching your purse when a black person comes in the room

But how can Trans people, in fact anybody, that supports transwomen being lesbians and saying that lesbians should be having sex with transwomen and their 'lady penises', even imagine themselves to be allies with lesbians?

Virtue signalling yes. However, I think that term is over applied to everything nowadays. People accuse me of virtue signalling when I say no thanks to their meat dish because I am vegan. Every so often someone pulls being vegan into this debate trying to paint the trans side as such and it pisses me off no end.
But yes, allies absolutely are virtue signalling.

@SunnydaleClassProtector99

They're not promoting the erosion of labels though, they're promoting the redefining of the labels but they still want the binary boxes. Otherwise it would be transwomen are people not transwomen are women.

I agree, and you have put much better than I have.

They are the ones that need these labels.

But how can Trans people, in fact anybody, that supports transwomen being lesbians and saying that lesbians should be having sex with transwomen and their 'lady penises', even imagine themselves to be allies with lesbians?

Exactly. Linking lesbians with penises is homophobic & always has been.

Linking lesbians with penises is homophobic.
Linking lesbians with vaginas is transphobic.

No wonder most people hide in a corner when this topic comes up.

@Monicuddle

Linking lesbians with penises is homophobic. Linking lesbians with vaginas is transphobic.

No wonder most people hide in a corner when this topic comes up.

Yet one is a statement accepting someone and the other is trying to coerce them into doing something that they don't want to do.

I agree. I just think most people would rather put their head in the sand than be labelled anything-phobic until it personally affects them, and by then it’s too late. That’s how things have got his far.