Does anyone else think that the Harry & Meghan show isn't going to be that explosive?

[HelloThereMeHearties]

I really doubt that loads of dirt will be raked, or muck spread. I'm guessing that there will be a few "it was hard to speak" type complaints, which the media will blow up, but that it's not actually going to be as exciting as we're all being led to believe?

This thread is so depressing. It seems Meghan Markle is now to blame for the low conviction rate for rapists in the UK. It seems we haven't moved on since Anne Boleyn was suspected of being a witch and rumoured to have 6 fingers. I am sure many on this thread would be jostling for a front row view at the ducking stool.

They may have put their names to complaints to BP (I don’t know), I wouldn’t expect that to be made public though.

Neither would I - but Palace HR have apparently decided otherwise.

But Meghan didn’t complain to HR did she?

She did.

She went to HR for help and they said they wouldn't couldn't help her as she wasn't an "employee". One could actually argue that she was - as her time was instructed and she was remunerated for her services and it would certainly make for a groundbreaking tribunal case...

But yes, she did go to Palace HR for help. They said no.

This thread is so depressing. It seems Meghan Markle is now to blame for the low conviction rate for rapists in the U.K.

@HeadNorth can you pinpoint which poster made that claim please? I can't see who did - which seems to me like you're making it up?

I'm going to watch this tonight to get a proper opinion on it but from clips I've seen it seems their stories aren't exactly the same. All seems very odd why if the Royal Family are so bad why wouldn't you just escape, get on with your life and make money doing what you are good at, acting.
I do believe some of the racism may be true, yes but i doubt they mentioned the colour the baby might be. Tbh i never even realised she was mixed race until the wedding as her mother is black. To me she bares no resemblance to a mixed race person, i wouldn't be able to tell. Why would the royal family even worry when she looks this way, and harry is as pale as a ghost. It doesn't add up to me. She went into this knowing full well what's expected of her and now is using them to gain more fame as her cash cow has came to an end. They'll be divorced in a year and Harry will have nothing. If it was so bad they could have severed ties, moved to America and made new lifes happily but no they got to have the last word and trash the royal family. What's even weirder, is why air your dirty laundry on a talk show, aren't they better than this. Even a book would be less trashy and would have got their point across but Oprah brings the flocks and more pennies for them. Can't believe Diana's name has been mentioned in it all, that poor woman was hounded to death not at all the same. She had grace and dignity

I'm also interested to hear what poster have to say about the accusations of bullying against Meghan?

For me, it seems that it's come as a very convenient time. Unless the accusations completely compelling, I'll reserve my belief in that story TBH.

And I've not forgotten she turned against her own family not so long ago.....seems to be a trend

I also think a lot of the hate against Meghan is because she's American too.

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

Re the question of "what should we do about women entering the RF". I'm an ardent feminist, but I'm tempted to say - nothing.

If a grown woman is entering a centuries old institution which is based on a strict set amount of people having the privilege of wealth, adoration and protection their whole lives, not earned but simply by the pot luck of being born to the right people...an institution which upholds class disparity and oppression of the masses..an institution whereby they may not be able to lead a 'normal' life, but certainly will never have to worry about money, will have staff waiting on them, nannies galore and the hardest days work they'll ever have to do is shaking people's hand, and get millions in return....then TBH I'd rather be off fighting worthier causes. Like period poverty, domestic violence, the gender pay gap, the epidemic that is violence against women, etc.

Feminism isn't about fighting the mild inconveniences that come to the extremely privileged and elite. Especially when they willingly enter into that lifestyle, kitted out in £3,500 dresses while women elsewhere are escaping financially abusive marriages with her kids and a tenner in their pocket. I know who needs us more.

Time changes everything. Public interest is fickle.

The RF will continue to evolve with younger characters emerging. Like them or loath them they will be the members of the RF who are relevant and of interest to people who are growing up right now. Certainly more relevant than the complaints of the 40 something second son of Diana (dead 24 years already!) and his wife.

H&M will become just another middle aged, millionaire couple, occasionally appearing in 'have they haven't they' jowl lift articles.

Oh those X royals ... do you remember all that? That Megan and Henry. Wasn't it? Are they still really all bitter and twisted? A la Edward and Mrs S.

Wondermule
No. You are now conflating what I want to happen with what would logically happen. You know exactly what you’re doing in manipulating what I say. But I’m sure it is clear to others that aren’t desperate to twist my words.

Your post said:
I’m saying staying silent isn’t the ‘morally right’ option (in that she should be able to speak out if she wants to), but that if she had, she would’ve saved herself a lot of the (even more) brutal coverage she is getting now.

How else am I meant to read this?
How am I manipulating your post?

By speaking, then logically the gutter press will be more brutal to her and she could have saved herself the bother if she had stayed silent.
Is that what you mean?

See @Laiste I don't think the marriage will last long enough into middle age. I foresee history repeating itself with messy divorces a la Harry's parents, aunty and uncle.

She resented being in the U.K. loving his lifestyle, so they left. Fair enough, but what's to say Harry won't feel the same in LA after a while?

@SleepingStandingUp

It’s not at all easy or even possible probably , to do that when hundreds if people are expecting you to turn up and lots of things are hanging on you appearance. It’s just not done. If she came down with gastric flu they wouldn't shove a nappy on her and send her out. That pregnant they could have got away with not turning up for personal reasons. He needs to be a better husband and father imo

I don’t think that’s fair. He seems to have twisted himself into knots. The entire event would have bombed if neither of them had turned up at the last minute. I shouldn’t think the Queen or Charles would have been impressed either.

This is a publication in the US notorious for shocking 'revelations'.

Do H&M truly think the US press will respect them and leave them alone forever? How long before Harry has an alleged kinky sex life/affair with the nanny:unfit father story from this tripe of a magazine? And the thing is, they can be litigious all they want, but without the power of the RF behind them, they'll be screwed.

Might help if I post the photo ey 🤦🏼‍♀️
From a few weeks ago

@PicsInRed

But Meghan didn’t complain to HR did she?

She did.

She went to HR for help and they said they wouldn't couldn't help her as she wasn't an "employee". One could actually argue that she was - as her time was instructed and she was remunerated for her services and it would certainly make for a groundbreaking tribunal case...

But yes, she did go to Palace HR for help. They said no.

That's one of the oddest parts. Why would she go to the palace HR department because she wants help for her mental health. That whole part makes no sense. Did she not have a doctor?

@minou123

Wondermule No. You are now conflating what I want to happen with what would logically happen. You know exactly what you’re doing in manipulating what I say. But I’m sure it is clear to others that aren’t desperate to twist my words.

Your post said:
I’m saying staying silent isn’t the ‘morally right’ option (in that she should be able to speak out if she wants to), but that if she had, she would’ve saved herself a lot of the (even more) brutal coverage she is getting now.

How else am I meant to read this?
How am I manipulating your post?

By speaking, then logically the gutter press will be more brutal to her and she could have saved herself the bother if she had stayed silent.
Is that what you mean?

Yes.

If she came down with gastric flu they wouldn't shove a nappy on her and send her out. That pregnant they could have got away with not turning up for personal reasons. He needs to be a better husband and father imo

Agree.

Harry has ALWAYS pushed back against The Firm - and good for him. Yet all of a sudden when his pregnant wife is on the verge of a breakdown, he is compelled to adhere strictly to protocol (much like his dad always did with his mum). Poor form Harry.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows you think they'll divorce. Hmm. Don't know. I don't think Harry has enough get up and go to get up and go anywhere and i don't think Meghan would divorce herself from a prince no matter what.

Re: Kate and William divorcing (from upthread) my money would be firmly on 'no way'. Kate has the heart and stomach of a concrete elephant and she's going no.where. I'm not a royalist but I have a lot of respect for Kate.

That's one of the oddest parts. Why would she go to the palace HR department because she wants help for her mental health. That whole part makes no sense. Did she not have a doctor?

She went to then for help with how she was being treated within the palace and how that was impacting her mental health. She was in a sort of no mans land as she was not an employee, therefore not a colleague, therefore not legally entitled (according to HR) to be protected from workplace bullying by HR, but as she was also not the employer and unable (she thought) to resign, she therefore had no power to address the situation herself.

If Meghan agreed, I think HR should release the details of her approach to them.

I think Harry massively fucked up going out to the function the night Meghan told him she was suicidal - thereby meaning she had to accompany him so as not to be left alone (or tell anyone how ill she was as they'd been told to keep it secret).

He fucked up big style.

But IMO he's made up for it by going to the lengths he has to get her out of there later on.

Surely re: mental health if MM you'd enlist and have the best mental health professional privately on Zoom etc within the day?

She doesn't work for Barclays as an administrator and doesn't need palace help re: above.

I do understand the HR for bullying and more general things but surely you'd tackle counselling/mental health privately under your own steam, I know I would or certainly in parallel.

Wow, Thomas Markle on GMB tomorrow.

This is silly, what's the point of escalating everything.

One Sword. Two Edges.

One Sharp. One Blunt.

In conjunction, very deadly.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Wow, Thomas Markle on GMB tomorrow.

This is silly, what's the point of escalating everything.

Isn't GMB Piers' show?

He wants to get close to the man who would have been his father in law in his fucking dreams right?

He's a bonafide weirdo.

And Thomas coming on his daughter's vicious and terrifying stalker's tv show? What the fuck is wrong with that man? Not Dad material.

Surely re: mental health if MM you'd enlist and have the best mental health professional privately on Zoom etc within the day?

The palace said it would be a bad look to go outside the fanily so told them to keep it secret.