Does anyone else think that the Harry & Meghan show isn't going to be that explosive?

[HelloThereMeHearties]

I really doubt that loads of dirt will be raked, or muck spread. I'm guessing that there will be a few "it was hard to speak" type complaints, which the media will blow up, but that it's not actually going to be as exciting as we're all being led to believe?

This has divided the country so much :(
Yet more division.

I don't think she's a villain. Misguided and uninformed definitely and that is firmly at Harry's door.

The only winners in any of this are Oprah and the media.

I agree it would be difficult not to turn up at a high profile event when you are expected and are the star turn.
MM was pregnant though so fairly easy to explain her absence although I'm sure she would have been vilified for that. Harder to explain Harry's absence. Maybe he thought the negative press for not showing up would make her feel even worse?

You're concerned that people supporting Megan Markle is going to make it more difficult to white women to accuse/report black men of rape.

Not that a black woman was actually almost driven to suicide, no, but that those speaking up in her support and defence may cause a theoretical impediment to the Word of white women.

Is that the jist?

No. But you knew that. I don't care for posters being obtuse.

I'm worried this VERY REAL narrative that "Karen's" are lying about being raped by black men. Rape is practically fucking legal, what with convictions rates being less than 1%. YOU as a woman should be concerned about any attempt to smear rape victims as automatic liars based on who their perpetrators are. It's no different than saying "He can't have raped her, he has a lovely wife and a good job".

It's relevant because it's linked to the theory that criticising a POC, in a way that's not related to their race, is seen as racist regardless.

Most people irl seem in a middle group of neutral to bemused.

And now people are effectively suggesting, threatening, that Meghan Markle should have her children removed from her, for the crime of being so mentally affected by the mobbing these same people claimed never happened.

They want to take her children from her.

What on earth is wrong with this country.

I've read enough of the headlines to get the gist of what was said and certainly don't wish to watch it tonight.
I think this vacuous pair should now slip quietly off into the night. What a load of old twaddle. There were enough holes in her "bombshell statements" to use as a colander. Utter rubbish.

But perhaps @PicsInRed it says a lot about YOU that when I said I was raped by a mixed race man in my post and feel offended many would seem my claim as both untrue and racist, you've gone on to imply I'm racist. iS ThaT tHe gIsT?

Fucking shame on you. Tells me all I need to know about you.

@PicsInRed

It is nauseating how people are turning themselves inside out to make Meghan Markle a villain and deny that this had anything to do with racism - something which has pervaded every single thread about her.

What is wrong with this country?

It is nauseating how people are turning themsleves inside out to elevate Markle to sainthood that they are telling other posters to STFU about being raped in case it suggests that black people encompass the same spectrum of good and bad behaviour as white people.

whatever happens next I do hope it includes her getting the help she very obviously needs, needs which she seems to be suggesting cannot be met by her husband.

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

You're concerned that people supporting Megan Markle is going to make it more difficult to white women to accuse/report black men of rape.

Not that a black woman was actually almost driven to suicide, no, but that those speaking up in her support and defence may cause a theoretical impediment to the Word of white women.

Is that the jist?

No. But you knew that. I don't care for posters being obtuse.

I'm worried this VERY REAL narrative that "Karen's" are lying about being raped by black men. Rape is practically fucking legal, what with convictions rates being less than 1%. YOU as a woman should be concerned about any attempt to smear rape victims as automatic liars based on who their perpetrators are. It's no different than saying "He can't have raped her, he has a lovely wife and a good job".

It's relevant because it's linked to the theory that criticising a POC, in a way that's not related to their race, is seen as racist regardless.

I'm not remotely concerned that believing a black woman that she was racially bullied and abused will lead to white women struggling to be believed as to rape by anyone whatsoever.

Not. Remotely. Concerned.

Wondermuke
Okay, tell them to take on the tabloids then, see where that gets them. Worse than they started off, I expect. It hasn’t done Meghan any favours has it?

I know. Women should just shut up, not rock the boat and hopefully it'll all go away.
Or onto the next royal woman.

Lady Louise, Princess Charlotte, and Zara's daughters have this all to look forward to.
They'll also have to keep a dignified silence.

@PicsInRed

But she is happy to be with a racist? Unless you think using racial slurs and dressing in a Nazi uniform is just a folly of youth?

@GoLightlyontheEarth

If they didn’t want the spectacle which she seems very derisory about, why invite lots and lots of celebrities who she either hardly knew or had never met before? Why not have a quiet, intimate ceremony with best friends and family? I’m sure no one in the RF would have minded. It would have saved a lot of money. She didn’t need to have the carriage ride or the air fresheners etc. It was their choice. No one forced them to have a huge public spectacle if they didn’t want it. Why not actually invite family instead of a load of A listers?

I don't remember the guest list at the Cambridges' wedding being full of movie stars and people they'd barely met. Wasn't even Kate's dodgy uncle Gary there? Yet the only member of Meghan's family at her wedding was her mother. That's really quite strange.

@minou123

Wondermuke Okay, tell them to take on the tabloids then, see where that gets them. Worse than they started off, I expect. It hasn’t done Meghan any favours has it?

I know. Women should just shut up, not rock the boat and hopefully it'll all go away.
Or onto the next royal woman.

Lady Louise, Princess Charlotte, and Zara's daughters have this all to look forward to.
They'll also have to keep a dignified silence.

Yes you keep saying the media is awful towards royal women, I accept this, but what can be done about it? You’re suggesting a huge swathe of the population take a sudden stand against it, but that’s just not going to happen is it?

OK - I will step up here - RF aside ( because none of us know what happened behind closed doors - as in any marriage ) can anyone point to an article where Meghan was castigated because she was mixed race ? Not saying there are not those but I don't recall - happy to be proven wrong

@PicsInRed

It is nauseating how people are turning themselves inside out to make Meghan Markle a villain and deny that this had anything to do with racism - something which has pervaded every single thread about her.

What is wrong with this country?

It may have pervaded every thread, although I struggle to see it in this one, but it does not pervade the thinking of everyone who finds her actions and words problematic. Surely someone is still allowed to dislike or have a problem with the actions of an individual person, whatever race they are without being accused of being racist. The alternative is frankly bizarre and I presume no right thinking person of colour would agree that they should have a free pass to do what they like or behave how they like. Maybe she is being portrayed like a villian because you know, she's kind of acting like one?

Wondermule
Yes you keep saying the media is awful towards royal women, I accept this, but what can be done about it? You’re suggesting a huge swathe of the population take a sudden stand against it, but that’s just not going to happen is it?

As long as people have the same opinion as you, to tell women to be silent, no, its not going to happen.

@minou123

Wondermule Yes you keep saying the media is awful towards royal women, I accept this, but what can be done about it? You’re suggesting a huge swathe of the population take a sudden stand against it, but that’s just not going to happen is it?

As long as people have the same opinion as you, to tell women to be silent, no, its not going to happen.

I’m not telling women to be silent and you know it. I said Kate’s chosen response worked better than Meghan’s. Which it did, in the absence of a huge grassroots campaign against gutter journalism.

@OldRailer

Most people irl seem in a middle group of neutral to bemused.

Yes. Here too, but I’m hearing a lot of people commenting on how upsetting the racial division is, and I feel that strongly too.

Wel, I think it is time we have a debate on bullying and racism in the UK.

In the UA it is open often with physical violence.

In the UK it is insidious and abuses mental health

I think reconciliation can happen, but only after open and painful conversations. And I don’t think the country is ready for that, as long as it supports a monarchy (which is a symbol of entrenched inequality and privilege)

Wondermule
I’m not telling women to be silent and you know it. I said Kate’s chosen response worked better than Meghan’s. Which it did, in the absence of a huge grassroots campaign against gutter journalism.

Yes, you did tell a woman to be silent. Thats exactly what you said.

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If Meghan had just held a dignified silence and showed willing by doing some ‘boring’ engagements like visiting community centres and old people’s homes, I really think it would’ve blown over within a year or two.

This whole thing is so sad. Sad for HaM, sad for the RF as a family, & sad for Archie. No cousins on either side. I hope in time bridges may be mended.

@minou123

Wondermule I’m not telling women to be silent and you know it. I said Kate’s chosen response worked better than Meghan’s. Which it did, in the absence of a huge grassroots campaign against gutter journalism.

Yes, you did tell a woman to be silent. Thats exactly what you said.

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If Meghan had just held a dignified silence and showed willing by doing some ‘boring’ engagements like visiting community centres and old people’s homes, I really think it would’ve blown over within a year or two.

I said if she had been silent, the outcome would’ve been better. Don’t you think?

Not that she should be silent because it is inherently the right thing to do in the face of such unfair scrutiny.