Death Penalty?

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Just seen a post on FB suggesting Priti Patel has asked for a paper on the restoration of the death penalty, now we have left the EU. Of course it could be completely false, but if true would you support the idea?

I wouldn't, simply because we know that innocent people in the past have been killed.

I don't agree with the death penalty because I think it's the easy way out for vile criminals.

Yes for paedophiles and serial killers with a high bar for applying it (e.g DNA evidence or video recordings). These people add nothing to the world, can’t be trusted to be free (paedophiles can’t be rehabilitated for example) and perhaps we could give more appropriate sentences for other crimes rather than the lenient ones often handed down now.

I have to admit that those who are saying the death penalty is barbaric confuse me. Isn't murder itself barbaric??

Yes. That’s the point

Even if the death penalty came back, it is highly unlikely it would be applicable to sex offenders/paedophiles. The bar would be set very very high and without the death of the victim, it would not be an option.

Killing someone is wrong. That's almost an absolute ( fear of your own impending death being the exception). Pre meditate murder by the state is barbaric. You cannot argue that teaching someone not to kill can on!y be achieved by killing some one is so wrong, it's hard to know where to start.

In any case, we are signatures to the human rights convention ( uk layers drafted it, and it's got bugger all to do with the EU), so if you were sentenced to death , an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights ( also bugger all to do with the EU), would rule in your favour

I would vote for it.

Innocent people have been killed in the past yes, but now there are more advances in forensic science and technology.

A few month ago a man raped a 6 year old girl and flung her off a roof. His DNA was on her body and there was CCTV. Instances like this where it is pretty much concrete evidence, they should get the death penalty id happily see the creature get the eletric chair

Oh not too mention it would save tax payers millions a year not keeping prisoners in prison with their xboxs

@WithLotsOfSprinkles0 it would actually cost more than life imprisonment.

No, absolutely not. I expect if the government gets it passed in parliament,the next step will be public executions. 😳

Alternatively we could look at Nordic models - high rates of rehabilitation, low rate of reoffending. Prisoners are in the main treated like human beings.

I do find it hard to not think it is a deterrent to a certain extent.
Reason for thinking this, when I was growing up in the fifties a murder was a big deal. There was hue & cry throughout the country & all over the news. Now there seems to hardly be a day goes by when there isn’t one or more murders on the news. Some on the local news aren’t even reported on the national news so expect it’s the same in other regions.
And many sentences are far too lenient. Life is rarely a full life served.
That has to be devastating for families of victims.

@Gilead I like you more and more with every post

[quote BananaPop2020]@Gilead she won’t be able to.[/quote]
Oh, I can answer it. Obviously Gilead, anybody with an illness causing them to say things that were untrue or with a disabilty would be exempt from the death penalty - in my view. It's clear I am advocating the death penalty for people like Ted Bundy, The Moors murderers etc where there is 100% NO doubt, not people with illnesses.

If I were on a jury where the accused could face the death penalty if found guilty I would not convict them.

I will not be complicit in state sanctioned murder.

It's clear I am advocating the death penalty for people like Ted Bundy, The Moors murderers etc where there is 100% NO doubt, not people with illnesses.

This is not an either / or situation though. You could easily argue that anyone capable of such crimes is mentally disturbed, not to mention in most cases victims of abuse themselves. Where do you draw the line?

@Bbq1 and this is where it gets interesting. Imagine reading about something awful in the paper, committed by a young person. Said person has a PhD. Now whilst it probably wouldn’t take long for the necessary enquiries to be made, would you as a member of the public or a jury believe that person. An articulate, intelligent person who had admitted to the awful crime? Which route gets chosen?

@Bbq1 it’s not clear what you are advocating at all, as the harm done is no less regardless of the perpetrator’s condition.

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Even if the death penalty came back, it is highly unlikely it would be applicable to sex offenders/paedophiles. The bar would be set very very high and without the death of the victim, it would not be an option.

It would also be used unfairly.

In the USA, women are rarely executed, black people are disproportionately executed, as are poorer people, those without good lawyers, low intelligence etc.

Some manage to avoid it by striking plea bargains for ridiculous reasons.

@WitchesGlove there are also a lot of high profile cases in the US where the victims family have made very clear their disapproval of the DP, and have been very vocal about it.

As someone else said above, as a juror I would refuse to find someone guilty if it would lead to their murder at the hands of the state. I don’t say that lightly as the thought of letting someone guilty go free is awful, but I’m not going to be party to state sanctioned murder. That makes us all, as a society, as bad as them.

[quote Gilead]@Bbq1 and this is where it gets interesting. Imagine reading about something awful in the paper, committed by a young person. Said person has a PhD. Now whilst it probably wouldn’t take long for the necessary enquiries to be made, would you as a member of the public or a jury believe that person. An articulate, intelligent person who had admitted to the awful crime? Which route gets chosen?[/quote]
Would you as a parent not alert the authorities to your child's condition? Are there doctor's records or similar detailing the condition that would be accessed? Would dna etc not be used as evidence to show that it wasn't in fact your child responsible for the crime? I am not saying just string everyone up who is accused or claims to have committed a crime. Quite the opposite.

[quote BananaPop2020]@Bbq1 it’s not clear what you are advocating at all, as the harm done is no less regardless of the perpetrator’s condition.[/quote]
No, but if the person has a condition or disability causing them to commit the crime, they should be exempt from the death penalty - in my view. It's not that complicated.

@Bbq1 it is extremely complicated actually. You haven’t addressed my point either.

If there was a referendum I would vote for it, look how many murderers like the moors murderers, Yorkshire ripper, Ian Huntley, Roy Whiting & many more have been kept at the state's expense & have or will most likely die in prison, it may also serve as a deterrent to others if categories of crime carry a mandatory death sentence.