Corbyn Suspended

[Sparklfairy]

Good. His arrogance and refusal to apologise (ever, for anything) has come back to bite him.

news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-suspended-from-labour-party-12117833

Angrycat2768 beautiful put!
The Priti Patel arguments truly piss me off! No one has to agree with her but To say she’s not entitled to have thoughts on immigration because her parents were migrants is disgusting- she is every bit as British as me: I’m white jewish British, every bit as British as my child: mixed raced British, every bit as British as my brother in law, second generation black British!

@Angrycat2768 - absolutely

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Ledand the Swan . Well Jeremy's antisemitism has been disputed. Read the thread. It is unfortunate that it descended into nastiness on here, I agree. It is not my style, but to be honest Blackberrycream needed a mirror holding up to her. If she wants to throw around the 'apologist' and 'dissembler' tags she can take a good look at her own reflection.

I agree the Labour and Tory parties are rotten to the core these days. The leaked report into the antisemitism complains procedures within the LP showed that. Imagine working against your own party and leader to deliberately lose an election BY SLOWING DOWN the complaints procedure into the 0.3% alleged cases. The only reason? Because you cant support Socialism, and yet the Labour party has its roots in Socialism. Not Neoliberalism. Socialism. Its astounding!

It is the fact that you are still disputing his anti semitism that is the issue. When people speak of their experience, we should listen.

suggesting that they are being brainwashed by ' zionists' (the acceptable face of anti semitism)

From what I was seeing, the online discussion also makes lots of references to a shadowy ‘Israel lobby’ who control politics in other countries and fund people like Tom Watson to support them.

Not even the slightest hint of awareness that powerful Jewish groups acting as puppet-masters is an obvious bog-standard anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

Blackberrycream at no point have I disputed the 0.3% antisemitism cases. AT NO POINT. You and your Snaky double speak again! I have pointed out that there was a leaked annex to the EHRC report that collated texts and emails demonstrating abuse by senior members of the Labour party administration team of junior members as they tried to work towards addressing antisemitism within the party. Some of this abuse was extremely serious. That these senior members of the the LP deliberately sabotaged the process of working towards resolving antisemitic needs to be acknowledged. But you refuse to do that.

• antsemitic read antisematism

And yes you should listen Blackberrycream to everyone's experiences. Including those who were abused by senior members of the LP while they tried to sort out the antisemitic allegations within the LP. Or do their experiences not count?

@Angrycat2768

As we've seen from some of the posters on this thread, the Left dont just have a problem with anti-Semitism, they have a problem with any group who doesnt fit into their narrow view of minorities. Denying agency to not only Jews by suggesting that they are being brainwashed by ' zionists' (the acceptable face of anti semitism) and denying agency to people of colour who have made political decisions different from how they think POC should behave is racist. We are not a hive mind. We have agency, intelligence and the ability to make our own decisions. I am a Labour supporter and am East African Asian descent. I have never felt so persecuted and 'othered' as I do when the hard left use arguments like the ones used on this thread against BAME members of the Cabinet. I disagree with Priti Patel but she has just as much right to be a horrible person based on her brain and thought process as a white person. It doesnt make her any less Brown, and it doesnt make her experiences of racism any less valid, and it doesnt mean she, or Rishi Sunak or James Cleverly have joined the Tory Party because they dont understand racism, or dont understand their own oppression or they have a master/servant complex. They have made a political decision because they believe what they believe. They have as much right to do that as any of the middle class white class warriors on the Left.

Hear hear! The Left think they own women, the working class, minorities and LGBTI people. Woe betide anyone in those groups who DARES to commit wrongthink...

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And yes you should listen Blackberrycream to everyone's experiences. Including those who were abused by senior members of the LP while they tried to sort out the antisemitic allegations within the LP. Or do their experiences not count?

I believe there is a legal case currently ongoing referring to this internally produced report and some of the allegations in it. Frankly, at the time it seemed laughable that again nothing was Corbyn’s fault. Racism is the main issue and the one that you are unwilling to look at with ‘ Jeremy’ . Like the Black Lives Matter movement, people who get worked up about anything rather than the issue in hand, are easy to read. Having dealt with racism in its subtle and not so subtle forms on a regular basis with myself and my children, I have been appalled at the gaslighting of the Jewish community. An apology for the 0.3 as you continually insist on saying is not an apology. It is an attempt to minimise.

Thanks so much for this thread and all who have posted. I've been confused about Corbyn for a while now, supported him at first but gradually got more WTF so I voted lib dems at last election for the first time.
His refusal to take ownership of his actions and words is unbelievably arrogant.
I'm still a bit confused but more informed now.
Starmer is not perfect but hes the best shot weve had for a long time, and proved he has strong leadership skills.

So BlackberryCream you think the abuse of junior members of the Labour party’s governance and legal unit (which handles disciplinary cases) by Senior Management with the express purpose to slow down the administration of antisemitic cases is 'laughable'???? I am astounded! There are many many texts as evidence of this appalling abuse within the annex. Its YOU that is unwilling and actually condone the abuse of Labour party members as they attempted to address the antsemitic complaints. And the 0.3% of antisemitic cases as highlighted in the EHRC report is a statistic, a fact if you will. Or are we not allowed to use facts on MN now?

@Maireas

They think they're on the side of the poor, and use the antisemitic trope of "rich powerful Jews" to justify their behaviour. After all, it seems like they're punching up! All this nonsense about finance, controlling groups, cabals etc. It's straight out of the Protocols which justified god knows how many pogroms.

Lisa Nandy described anti semitism as ‘punching up’. Quite extraordinary.

That really is extraordinary. Fucking hell.

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So BlackberryCream you think the abuse of junior members of the Labour party’s governance and legal unit (which handles disciplinary cases) by Senior Management with the express purpose to slow down the administration of antisemitic cases is 'laughable'???? I am astounded! There are many many texts as evidence of this appalling abuse within the annex. Its YOU that is unwilling and actually condone the abuse of Labour party members as they attempted to address the antsemitic complaints. And the 0.3% of antisemitic cases as highlighted in the EHRC report is a statistic, a fact if you will. Or are we not allowed to use facts on MN now?

Seriously, I will not engage further with you. The Labour Party must have been a hard place to be the last few years..... Make of that what you will.

Blackberrycream. Being abused by Senior management as you tried to do your job in addressing antisemitic complaints must have made the LP a very hard place to be. Being constantly undermined because you want your party to succeed in a general election must have been appalling. Make of that what you will. If you dont want to engage that you prerogative more than happy with your choice to do so.

If the EHRC investigation report had been into racism against Black people, and Corbyn had come out and said that the issue has been "overstated" would people still be defending him?? Shouldn't we listen to the victims and hear what they say their experience has been rather than telling them they are wrong?

Corbyn of all people should know this, but sadly he proved himself too pigheaded and stubborn beyond belief and utterly unwilling to listen. (And I speak as someone who once thought he was a breath of fresh air).

The Executive and Starmer had no choice but to draw a line and separate themselves from Corbyn's detestable remarks once and for all. It was laughable to hear McCluskey on the news this morning saying that Starmer might make the party unelectable... er.. they got hammered last time under Corbyn!!!

Starmer drawing a firm line against antisemitism is a step towards making them electable.

How many times and how badly do JC his fan base have to lose before they start to consider that maybe they are the problem?

This fascinates me too. In fairness it can't be easy to accept what a hash they've made of things, nor to realise that, in the end, nobody can tell others how to vote, but without that insight Labour will get nowhere

As said, it'll be interesting to see what tactics the Hard Left use in attempting to prevent Corbyn's actual expulsion. Personally I'll believe he's gone when it happens, but not until

Can anyone explain why on earth non-Corbynite senior management would have the ''express purpose to slow down the administration of antisemitic cases"?

And why is this even considered a defence?

Either it's toddler-level not-my-fault bullshit or it's an example of structural antisemitism - in which case the fact that Corbyn failed or could't be arsed to crush it precisely proves the EHRC's point.

I vote bullshit made-uppery.

In 2024 , when l am stood in the polling station, will l really think that l can’t possibly vote Labour because of how badly Jeremy Corbyn was treated ? Or how badly Len McCluskey and Ken Livingstone felt their friend had been treated ? (Len’s comments about “gold” are problematic enough.)
Would that really stop me voting Labour ?
To think we really must bring Jeremy back in order for Labour to win anything is farcical. Jeremy’s legacy is a Tory 80 seat majority. He won’t be missed by me and l can vote Labour with a clear conscience.

VitreousHumour I think the general argument is that, in an attempt to get rid of Corbyn, the centrists deliberately slowed investigations down so he'd get the blame for not doing enough

I confess it's a new one on me, but as we're seeing there's nothing - absolutely nothing at all, no matter how lacking in credibility or even ordinary common sense - the Hard Left won't attempt to shore up their idol

Which is why I said let's not assume Corbyn's gone until and if the suspension turns into an actual expulsion

The trouble with the die-hard Corbyn fans is they don't realise this (by the late, great Terry Pratchett) was satire:

"People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so, the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn’t that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people.

"As soon as you saw people as things to be measured, they didn’t measure up."

Corbyn supporters hate Starmer more than they hate a Tory Government.

There was a leaked report into the Labour Party’s Governance and Legal Unit. The 860-page document, including emails and WhatsApp messages, was the result of an investigation into antisemitism within the party.

There were clear attempts at bureaucratic plotting and contemptuous commentary from some of the most senior officials in the Labour Party.

Alongside denigrating their colleagues and blocking Jeremy Corbyn’s investigations into antisemitism. The right leaning element of Labour sought to undermine their elected leaders
hip at every turn, going as far as seeking to scupper their party’s 2017 general election campaign.

The fact you are not aware of this Vitreous Humour and your attempts to excuse it a 'bullshit made uppery' says a lot about you.I suggest you look into it before you deny it exists.

Ruby Violet, Blair supporters hated Corbyn more than they hated the Tories.

What about the interference in the complaints process by Corbyn and his office?

How was that down to Blairites?