Corbyn Suspended

[Sparklfairy]

Good. His arrogance and refusal to apologise (ever, for anything) has come back to bite him.

news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-suspended-from-labour-party-12117833

So what slowed Corbyn down from giving Luciana Berger a quick phone call of support or checking up on her safety?

What slowed him from publicly regretting that an 8 month pregnant Jewish woman felt hounded out of the party?

@noblegiraffe

A party led by Corbyn certainly could go a long way to undermine Starmer in the next GE.

A party led by Corbyn certainly managed to undermine the Labour Party in the last GE.

😂 I also couldn’t put my cross where I felt I would be complicit in Anti Semitism. That was why my vote was lost.

How do you know he didn't make that call Noble Giraffe?

[quote BrimfulOfBaba]**@clairep20* you are very much mistaken. He has called black people "pica with watermelon smiles" and has written that one of Africa's greatest tragedies is no longer being ruled by whites.[/quote]
I'm about to go to bed but couldn't help noticing this.

I'm very unimpressed with Boris (appropriately autocorrected to 'virus') but I do hate inaccuracy. I understood that his 'pica smile' thing was him parodying Tony Blair?

I've just googled and found the relevant article. I haven't yet read it. I think it's worth reading for ourselves to see exactly what was said.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-boris-archive-africa-is-a-mess-but-we-can-t-blame-colonialism/amp

In any event there's no justification for whataboutery. If Boris is indeed racist it doesn't make Corbyn racism (and misogyny) ok. At all. The racism directed towards Priti Patel is not ok either.

Well I certainly wont be putting my cross in the box for Starmer. And I know many people who wont be either.

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BlackberryCream. Its you that has 'snakes double speak'. I have pointed out the leaked report whereby it was clear that antisemitism allegations were not dealt with quickly because those who were not supportive of Corbyn deliberately slowed down the administration.

Are you actually going to say the bullying of Luciana Berger was wrong? Do you think Jeremy Corbyn, as leader, should have spoken to her or involved himself in any way ? Otherwise yes, snakey double speak.

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How do you know he didn't make that call Noble Giraffe?

She has said he didn’t.

Blackberrycream allegedly. Not 'snakey double speak' at all. We can go around in circles with this. I countered your point about antisemitism with the leaked report that action against antisemitic comments was deliberately slowed down by those in the party who disliked Jeremy. Also party officials opposed to Jeremy Corbyn worked to lose the 2017 general election in the hope that a bad result would trigger a leadership contest to oust him, a dossier drawn up by the party suggests.

@sheepandcow I've read the full context those phrases were used in, and they were wholly inappropriate. No need for the p word in particular. I'm not interested I participating in whataboutery though, was merely pointing out an (imo) incorrect assumption.

There is no place in the party for antisemitism. And Jeremy has been clear about that yet again today. Whether that is Luciana Berger or anyone else for that matter.

So still no condemnation 🙂
What is not said speaks as loudly as what is said.
Well I sincerely hope you and your ilk do all go and form another party and leave the Labour Party to decent people who see the problem with a Jewish woman needing a police escort at a party conference.

The condemnation is right above your comment. Open your eyes.

So you feel ok about senior members of the Labour Party deliberately slowing down the antisemitism complaints process in order to undermine the Leader and potentially lose an election do you Blackberrycream.?I sincerely hope that people like yourself are never put in charge of any investigation into serious complaints regarding racism.

He was the leader at the time it was happening and didn’t speak out. My eyes are open. You are an apologist and a dissembler.
I’m out.

You are apologist Blackberrycream. You have no argument left. You have been found out and have snuck away. Corbyn did speak out during his leadership and apologised for the 0.3% incidents of antisemitism at the time of his leadership. Which was the same level if incidents as Miliband before him. He put in place the investigation procedure which was deliberately sabotaged by members of his own party in order to work against him and lose the 2017 election. disgraceful.

No actually. I’m just tired and going to bed.
He did not speak out about the bullying of Luciana Berger.
That is a disgrace.

Corbyn apologised for antisemitism in the party he did so repeatedly. You weren't listening. And clearly you support the disgraceful underhand tactics of senior members of the Labour party slowing down the antisemitism complaints procedure. You apologist and dissembler! Thats a disgrace!

This thread has descended into nastiness.

JC is an antisemite. I don't think that can be disputed. I also don't think accusing Boris Johnson of being a racist can be disputed either. Keir Starmer is a centrist gammon who in our house is known as Mr Hindsight. The daily Issue Bandwagon is there for him to jump on. Plenty of politicians (and their advisors) have disgusting views towards not just people with a faith, but women, ethnic minorities, the LGBT+ community, even class... Labour and Tory are both intensely rotten.

I cannot vote for either party and spoiled my ballot in the last GE.

Politics in this country is an embarrassing joke.

Ledand the Swan . Well Jeremy's antisemitism has been disputed. Read the thread. It is unfortunate that it descended into nastiness on here, I agree. It is not my style, but to be honest Blackberrycream needed a mirror holding up to her. If she wants to throw around the 'apologist' and 'dissembler' tags she can take a good look at her own reflection.

I agree the Labour and Tory parties are rotten to the core these days. The leaked report into the antisemitism complains procedures within the LP showed that. Imagine working against your own party and leader to deliberately lose an election BY SLOWING DOWN the complaints procedure into the 0.3% alleged cases. The only reason? Because you cant support Socialism, and yet the Labour party has its roots in Socialism. Not Neoliberalism. Socialism. Its astounding!

And yes under Starmer and Johnson politics in this country is an embarrassing joke.

There is no place in the party for antisemitism. And Jeremy has been clear about that yet again today yes but then that statement holds no weight when combined with “the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated” in the same breath

@ThisnThat1 so does China, so does Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Yemen, Syria, Turkey, Myanmar, Russia for example, but why apply double standards to Israel by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation?

[quote LampLighterInn]@ThisnThat1 so does China, so does Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Yemen, Syria, Turkey, Myanmar, Russia for example, but why apply double standards to Israel by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation? [/quote]
This is a really good point and something the antisemitics really don't get. The problem is, people do protest about the human rights abuses perpetuated by these countries but these are all largely ignored, especially where Britain has an economic/political interest in ignoring it (eg China, Saudi). But when protesting about human rights anywhere else, people aren't immediately labelled as hating an entire race.

Sorry, race is an absolutely incorrect and simplistic word there. Ethnic group/heritage/nationality would all be better. (Trying to get better at not using 'race's willy nilly).

There has been a lot of food for thought in this thread. Antisemitism has no place in any society let alone a party that is supposed to be for the many, not the few. I do think Corbyn handled some things (important things) badly. I also don't believe he is an an anti semite, and know there was a concerted push to remove him from power. It's all a horrible mess.

Corbyn is a deplorable person. Sides with terrorists, supports the dictatorship in Venezuela. Regardless of his stance on anti semitism he will never ever have my sympathy. I did not read this in the Sun or the Daily Mail. I have lived through the failure of what he was proposing for the UK.