I'm a fucking HOUSEWIFE?

[ToadinTheHoleWithKetchup]

Just had the car insurance renewal on DH's car. I am a named driver, and the details listed state that I am a 'housewife'. How the fuck is this even a category?

I don't think we will ever find out the job. Sigh.

I reckon there is no job and the op can afford to stay home but had a cleaner and a nanny so no jobs hence being offended at being a fucking housewife.

If that's the case are you retired?

Is it cycling?

@MJMG2015

Equal rights is not dramatics. It’s a very real thing. Just as was women’s right to vote. I’m sure in the past people thought women’s rights to vote were also a mountain out of a mole hill.

Just because the term house husband & house wife are used freely. Doesn’t mean it’s right.

There have been many terms that have been used freely in the past (i.e. racist terminology) but they are now no longer used, why.....because it has negative connotations and impact on society. Just as the terms house husband or house wife.

Regardless of if you feel a person is being obtuse or not (about her job) the point was that she dislike the term house wife.

Society (men) have placed a negative connotation on the term, which is why @ToadinTheHoleWithKetchup unconsciously or consciously belittled it.

So instead of educating your fellow woman, you belittle the point she is trying to make instead. A point that helps all women. If we stand together #womensupportingwomen, then we might prevented further #metoo issues derived from women not having equal rights and seen as lesser.

In your post you actually said you wouldn't mind if it had the term househusband there as well...
Now you're saying you mind either way...

@N0tJustY0ga I’ve asked a few posters now and no one has answered, what would you propose as alternative terminology? To a person, whichever gender, who does not do paid work but runs a household?

Imagine all you had to worry about in life was what your occupation is stated as on your car insurance renewal.

@Babs709

House husband, house wife or house person is fine. If you feel it does not describe you, then have - other - as an option where you could fill out your preferred term.

As I’ve said before, equal rights is about having a choice to be what YOU want to be regardless of gender (in this case) or race or other factors.

So if you want to be a house wife, you can. Just don’t belittle people that prefer another total and vice versa. Just support & educate each other rather than tearing each other down. #womensupportingwomen

@purpleme12

^In your post you actually said you wouldn't mind if it had the term househusband there as well...
Now you're saying you mind either way...^

If you want to start being pedantic, then let’s. It’s just proving my point that instead of #womensupportingwomen you (as a woman) would rather tear a fellow women down instead of supporting the equal rights movement that is very real.

To answer your question, I don’t mind if you use the word house husband or house wife or house person as long as those options are available everywhere.

We ALL have the right to be what we choose to be. Belittling from either direction is not supporting equal rights. Instead of negative comments to @ToadinTheHoleWithKetchup, why not educate and give positive comments to a point that is very important in the world right now.

That was my point.

Lol I haven't torn anyone down
I've replied to your posts and some others, all without tearing anyone down. It is possible to do that

@N0tJustY0ga ah ok so you don’t actually have an issue with the term, you just think OP has a right to be offended by it? I agree that anyone can chose to be offended by anything they want. The trouble is, I doubt the insurance company just picked their own profession for OP. Someone has input that there whether she likes it or not. FWIW, I don’t think the insurance company can ignore the existence of housewives/househusbands. Your point about women fighting for rights comes into play: “housewife” will only be listed an occupation at all because of the fight that women have made. By acknowledging the existence of “housewife” as an occupation, they’re acknowledging that women who do so are indeed working, it just doesn’t happen to be paid work. There are so many professions that aren’t available/aren’t quite right and a lot of people have to pick the closest. Having an “other” box which is free text wouldn’t be fit for purpose because it wouldn’t fit their algorithm. If you need bespoke insurance because of your bespoke career than that’s something you’ll be heavily paying for.

Different occupations are different risk to insurers. 'Self Employed' Window cleaner v 'Self Employed' knitter. Which do you think is going to be driving more?

@MJMG2015 - it will be a bit more subtle than that. Amount of driving will be covered by the mileage which is another question on the application. Also, you are already rated differently if using vehicle for business or social. The question is what additional risk does your occupation introduce?

If you had two otherwise identical policyholders (same age, same commute, same postcode etc) but one worked as an accountant and one as an air-traffic controller, which do you think would pay the higher premium? (And the answers can be counterintuitive, as actuaries build multi-dimensional models, calibrated to their past claims experience, and go where the data leads).

@Babs709

Did she in put housewife? Or did the insurance company (or herself) put her down house wife because that was the closest terminology they found.

In the past there were limited terminology for your race and nationality. Now you have black or British black, Indian or British Indian. If companies can evolve to expand their terminology for the race/nationality sections, I’m sure they could do the same for employment status.

Why can’t insurance companies expand their algorithms to adjust for this? Tech is only going to become more prevalent & tech is there to help make our lives easier & more efficient & not be a factor in hindering women’s equal rights movement.

Are you saying that because an algorithm can’t use our preferred terminology, then it’s best to keep to current terminology even if it has negative connotations & impact on women?

Did she in put housewife? Or did the insurance company (or herself) put her down house wife because that was the closest terminology they found. Well, we don’t know because she never came back. But insurance companies aren’t going to make something up so somewhere there was a conversation about her being a housewife.

Why can’t insurance companies expand their algorithms to adjust for this?
Are you saying that because an algorithm can’t use our preferred terminology, then it’s best to keep to current terminology even if it has negative connotations & impact on women?
I am absolutely not saying that. I’m sure insurance companies can expand their algorithms. Which leads back to my question.. what terminology would you like available?

@purpleme12

I was talking about women’s rights and supporting @ToadinTheHoleWithKetchup.

You decided to ignore the point, be pedantic an focus on - ^ In your post you actually said you wouldn't mind if it had the term househusband there as well...
Now you're saying you mind either way. ^

Sure your not tearing me down directly. Just deflecting from my points being made and focusing on how I phrased a statement rather then the point I was making about women’s equal rights and supporting each other.

So if you feel you were supportive and not tearing me down on the point of women’s equal rights with this statement then you have a right to, but doesn’t mean it’s right.

Responding to your post isn't being pedantic
I was responding to what you put
I wasn't being supportive or unsupportive I was simply responding in my posts
But like I said (and like you say now) I wasn't tearing anyone down here

@Babs709

Of which I answered. House husband, house wife or house person or other with an ability to insert your preferred terminology....but you then pointed out the issues that would cause.

Hence my reply regarding the expansion on the algorithm.

Hence my reply regarding the expansion on the algorithm. I see. Then no, they probably can’t expand their algorithms to have free text fields without making it bespoke insurance. I’m sure “houseperson” could be added to the occupation list if it isn’t already.
But you have read the same updates as me yes? And read that OPs issue isn’t with the terminology but rather that they’ve got her employment status completely wrong because she does indeed have paid employment.

@purpleme12

You decided to ignore the point that I was making about women’s right and focus on - ^In your post you actually said you wouldn't mind if it had the term househusband there as well...
Now you're saying you mind either way.^

That’s being pedantic, and supporting or not supporting is not good enough. Do you think #blacklivesmatters came about because people stood on the sideline. Is it right to neither support or not support #blackliveatter?

If you were not being supportive or unsupportive then why make a comment? What was YOUR point to the discussion?

Lol
If you would like to read my points you can do but obviously that's up to you
Yes I was responding to your what you put in your post
So sorry if I didn't respond to the point you wanted me to lol
And sorry to disappoint that I won't be responding to the black lives matter comment either. Take from that what you will

YANBU OP, I hate the term “ housewife”. It’s not the 1950s anymore

[quote N0tJustY0ga]@MJMG2015

Equal rights is not dramatics. It’s a very real thing. Just as was women’s right to vote. I’m sure in the past people thought women’s rights to vote were also a mountain out of a mole hill.

Just because the term house husband & house wife are used freely. Doesn’t mean it’s right.

There have been many terms that have been used freely in the past (i.e. racist terminology) but they are now no longer used, why.....because it has negative connotations and impact on society. Just as the terms house husband or house wife.

Regardless of if you feel a person is being obtuse or not (about her job) the point was that she dislike the term house wife.

Society (men) have placed a negative connotation on the term, which is why @ToadinTheHoleWithKetchup unconsciously or consciously belittled it.

So instead of educating your fellow woman, you belittle the point she is trying to make instead. A point that helps all women. If we stand together #womensupportingwomen, then we might prevented further #metoo issues derived from women not having equal rights and seen as lesser.[/quote]
Funnily enough, I've only ever seen women "place a negative connotation on" the term "housewife".

#womensupportingwomen my foot

i honestly do not know what the problem is, housewife is not a dirty word or maybe thats just me, someone somewhere somehow will always find a fault with whats said

Yep pretty much

[quote tornadoalley]**@MJMG2015* I didn't mean self employed is a category of employment, just that if Op says she is self employed she must be self employed as something*! Why the reticence to just say what they employment is? [/quote]
Because she's a goady PITA?

[quote N0tJustY0ga]@MJMG2015

Equal rights is not dramatics. It’s a very real thing. Just as was women’s right to vote. I’m sure in the past people thought women’s rights to vote were also a mountain out of a mole hill.

Just because the term house husband & house wife are used freely. Doesn’t mean it’s right.

There have been many terms that have been used freely in the past (i.e. racist terminology) but they are now no longer used, why.....because it has negative connotations and impact on society. Just as the terms house husband or house wife.

Regardless of if you feel a person is being obtuse or not (about her job) the point was that she dislike the term house wife.

Society (men) have placed a negative connotation on the term, which is why @ToadinTheHoleWithKetchup unconsciously or consciously belittled it.

So instead of educating your fellow woman, you belittle the point she is trying to make instead. A point that helps all women. If we stand together #womensupportingwomen, then we might prevented further #metoo issues derived from women not having equal rights and seen as lesser.[/quote]
Things don't need to change just because one person doesn't like it. Other people are happy with it. She had the option to choose a different occupation from the list, but she didn't. She created this 'problem'