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Friend asked DPs salary. Now she's being weird with me. Feeling really hurt

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SauvignonExtraChilled · 17/08/2020 18:12

Hi,

So my friend and I have known each other for roughly 10 years. We hit it off straight away and even though we don't actually see each other that often, we, I would have said anyway, are very close.

Anyway, over the past 5 or so years, our lives have gone in different directions. She broke up from her long term partner (father of her dc) and since then hasn't been lucky in love, to put it mildly. She also lost her job a year ago and has been on benefits whilst trying to start her own business. I moved away (not that far) and married DP and are financially very comfortable. I have never spoken about money, but it will be obvious I suppose, given we have a bigger house in a more expensive area etc.

Earlier in the year (before covid....those were the days) we were out and had had a few cocktails and she just came out and asked what DP earned. I was a bit taken aback and remember actually blushing, which I don't really do! It wasn't just the fact that she asked me, it was the way that she asked me. I nervously laughed "you can't ask that" to which she replied, "what's the big secret? I want to know how you can afford to live in x". I felt almost compelled and so I told her, which obviously now I regret, but I didn't want to appear secretive or rude, which was almost what she was implying.

Straight away, she looks cold. Almost pissed off actually and said something along the lines of "it's alright for some". I remember feeling really awkward and the night was cut short.

I put it down to too much booze and wasn't going to bring it up and just wanted to pretend it hadn't happened.

Since then though, every time we talk she manages to steer the conversation to the subject of money. It's actually bloody tiring. I feel like I have to watch everything I say now. Don't get me wrong, I was always sensitive and mindful of her situation, so would absolutely never brag, but now I feel like we can't even chat about every day mundane things without her making me feel guilty or spoilt.

I was nearly in tears the last time we spoke, because she asked "how are things in your perfect life then?".

She knows how far from perfect it is. I've had it tough for a very long time. Poor MH, bad past relationship, very difficult DC. I would be genuinely over the moon if things were better for her! And I would have been, regardless of my own financial situation.

The strangest thing is, she's always put very little value on money.

I don't want our friendship to fizzle out - I genuinely love her to bits, but if this continues, I can't see how we can continue to be friends.

WWYD? Am I right to be upset? Is this fixable?

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Dylaninthemovies1 · 18/08/2020 18:17

I absolutely hate the secrecy around salaries. When I started in my job, I negotiated a higher salary than one of my peers. He found out (not through me) and negotiated to get the same salary. Another colleague told me (I think with the aim of stirring the pot). I told the stirrer that I was delighted that my colleague used my salary negotiation to his advantage, and that I would have did the same.

I was very pushy about starting salary as it impacts all future salaries with the company: and I’m making sure I’m not paying a lack of penis penalty

Dylaninthemovies1 · 18/08/2020 18:19

@SauvignonExtraChilled. I have a friend that does this. I just smile and think it’s harmless and a sign of insecurity. My friend and her husband have done very well for themselves, she is ridiculously beautiful and friendly, but I just sense this little bit of insecurity from her

Jack80 · 18/08/2020 18:20

I would have to say have I upset you in any way.

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BinkyBoinky · 18/08/2020 18:22

[quote SauvignonExtraChilled]@BinkyBoinky, no, not at all. That's what's so confusing. She could never understand why people needed any more than enough food on the table and a roof over your head. She is the least materialistic person I know. She's always been a kind, easy going, live and let live type. She has people in her family who are well off and I've never detected a hint of jealousy.[/quote]
Perhaps she's regretting some life choices, not saving up or trusting the wrong men (obvs don't know her story), you could gently give her the opportunity to talk out her problems (as well as telling her she was out of order, of course).

If she bites your hand after that then f*ck her!

Diva66 · 18/08/2020 18:26

@Jack80

I would have to say have I upset you in any way.
This.
Watermelontea · 18/08/2020 18:26

I couldn’t be doing with it, she seems very bitter and resentful and nobody needs that kind of negativity.

I’d bring up how ridiculous she’s being, and let her know that unless she stops you’ll have to cut ties with her.
The best way to deal with this sort of thing I find is to nip it in the bud quickly, and tell them that a) it’s none of their business and b) however much you/your DP May earn, shouldn’t change anything about your friendship.

mummypie17 · 18/08/2020 18:26

A close friend of mine (who is from a different culture) asked me how much I earned. I was taken aback at the time so just answered roughly. She then started making comments about it so I told her that actually I wasn't comfortable with her asking. She did apologise and hasn't said anything since. Now if anybody asks, I would say that they could just Google my job title.

Chloe1973 · 18/08/2020 18:27

YANBU at all! I understand why you told her how much your hubby earns but now unfortunately you may have to look at whether you can still be friends! Unfortunately, if jealousy is the issue here it will always be a problem until she feels more secure with her own circumstances which could be never! I’d advise you to see how things go and if she continues to make you feel bad or guilty cut her off! Your friends are suppose to support you and be proud of you, and also encourage you to do and be even better than you are now!

Foxynatnat · 18/08/2020 18:29

It sounds like she may be looking for a handout but is too afraid or embarrassed to ask, i wouldn't be too hard on her times are difficult at the moment

Chloe1973 · 18/08/2020 18:29

@Jack80 I agree, I would ask her this question.

Hanab · 18/08/2020 18:30

If she brings up money again kindly tell her that talking about money is no go & it makes you uneasy and mot forgetting its personal. Some people have more than others. It’s life 🤷🏻‍♀️

If it is going to make you uncomfortable if she persists than it’s probably best for now just to have some space from her till she is in a better financial space or even perhaps emotional space. ( I have not read the full thread)

gubbbbbddaaaa · 18/08/2020 18:32

@SauvignonExtraChilled .. I'm the same , I try hard not to be a twat about it and never say DH 's Porsche, I jsit say car or whatever .. I actually get excited when things are cheap and tell people .. some people are such idiots when it comes to money .. one thing I have learnt over the years is you need to have friends who are in about three same level or it causes friction although I have friends who are much richer and I'm happy for them 🤷‍♀️...

peachdribble · 18/08/2020 18:36

It's hard to hide jealousy sometimes, even if she's otherwise trying to be a good friend. Would you be comfortable helping her financially? Of course no friendship should depend on favours, but if this is a somewhat bitter cry for help then it's worth getting her to open up about it and see whether a small lump sum, or some kind of work opportunity might help her... sometimes a leg up can be life changing to someone who's genuinely struggling.

morriseysquif · 18/08/2020 18:36

It's not just about money, it's about you and your life full stop.

Whatever makes you a great person and friend which she takes full advantage of is also the source of full on jealousy.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 18/08/2020 18:37

You sound like a nice friend, OP, and it’s not your “fault” that things are difficult for her atm. If we’re only friends with ppl who are in the exact same positions personally and financially, we’d all have limited social circles!

I do think you need to ask her whether you’ve done something to upset her and let her know that you’ve been getting negative vibes. If she still wants to be friends, she needs to get past this.

I know a few people who are in a completely different financial position to me, truly wealthy. Doesn’t make any difference to our relationships, they’re nice and I like them, end of.

Florawest · 18/08/2020 18:38

Definitely have a talk about money with her and tell her how hurt you are that she keeping throwing horrible remarks at you.

Personally, I couldn't give two figs who knows what I have, haven't that much but happy out, my ex husband was top secret with anything surrounding money, hate braggers that boast about great big cost of their sofas etc, so glad for you that things have turned good as you had a rough time and you sound like a really nice person.

I suppose it just goes to show that we as humans can be a little obsessed at times with money, personally speaking, when I am trying to budget the faster the money goes but if I chill about it and don't be constantly adding up etc, somehow it seems to work out ok. 🤞

converseandjeans · 18/08/2020 18:40

How much is it then?? Totally misses point of the thread

Also wondering! I honestly don't understand this British thing of not disclosing your salary like it's some big secret. It's obvious who earns more by where they live, whether they go out for dinner, if they have a nice car, if they have a cleaner etc...

Also don't you work? Is all your money DH earnings?

converseandjeans · 18/08/2020 18:41

Also maybe you could 'treat' her occasionally? I know it's not your fault she's broke - but if you had the money could you occasionally get a round in, pay for a spa day or something?

deandra · 18/08/2020 18:43

Don't know why you would have told her. It's rude to ask AND none of her business.

MeMyselfAye · 18/08/2020 18:50

I think if op had wanted to disclose the amount on here she would have...

SauvignonExtraChilled · 18/08/2020 18:50

@converseandjeans, I actually did treat her quite a bit when things were first tough, but was very wary not to be patronising or charity like. For example, if she said she didn't have enough to come out for a drink, I'd say something along the lines of "I don't mind getting you a few drinks, it would just be great to see you. Buy us a drink next time/when you can Smile ". She never took advantage and at the same time, didn't seem uncomfortable, so thought all was good.

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converseandjeans · 18/08/2020 18:54

That's really kind. Maybe she sort of expects it now? It's a difficult one as she can see you have more than her (financially) and obviously struggles with that. Most of my friends earn more than me & I just accept I can't do stuff they can.

user1498572889 · 18/08/2020 18:56

She is just feeling shitty op. I bet once she found out how much he earns she wished she hadn’t asked cos now she is jealous. Talk to her about it. Tell her you really value her friendship and enjoy her company but you feel that since she asked you about DP‘S salary she has been off with you. Tell her you understand how depressing it must be for her right now but it isn’t your fault. Be kind she is probably feeling worse than you. Jealousy is an uncomfortable feeling.

sturdywiththewordyshakespear · 18/08/2020 18:57

Haha!! I've just realised I've NO IDEA what my DP earns. It's enough to pay his half of our monthly expenses and his share of holidays, kiddy stuff etc. We've been together 20 years - I'm guessing he must earn a similar amount to me. Re your story I find it really strange to ask how much somebody's husband or partner earns. Why not ask how much you earn? Am I missing something. I know women earn less than men for same work and all that but most of my friends, with or without kids, earn in the same ballpark as their partners. That question sounds like it's from the 1950s. Regardless, I'd speak to her kindly and explain that he earns really good money (or whatever) but that's nothing to do with your friendship - it's his money after all.

GingerWit · 18/08/2020 18:57

The way I read this was;

"You're living in an expensive house because of his wage and not because of your own earnings." - She's really jealous. Green-eyed monster. It doesn't matter which one of you earns what, especially when married because it's 50% yours anyway. What's more, there is no value on money, but that's what she is basing things on, as you have said.

Unless you were paying for the cocktails, should she really be kicking up a stink if she can afford them on benefits? I work for the DWP and know how much a single parent with child maintenance is on at an estimation of the situation, unless she is also doing permitted work.

I would try and appreciate her situation because it's made her very bitter and untrusting by the sounds of it. Definitely tell her to knock it off though, life's a bitch and she's had an unfair hand dealt her, while yours is good. I would help her with her business as well etc