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Friend asked DPs salary. Now she's being weird with me. Feeling really hurt

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SauvignonExtraChilled · 17/08/2020 18:12

Hi,

So my friend and I have known each other for roughly 10 years. We hit it off straight away and even though we don't actually see each other that often, we, I would have said anyway, are very close.

Anyway, over the past 5 or so years, our lives have gone in different directions. She broke up from her long term partner (father of her dc) and since then hasn't been lucky in love, to put it mildly. She also lost her job a year ago and has been on benefits whilst trying to start her own business. I moved away (not that far) and married DP and are financially very comfortable. I have never spoken about money, but it will be obvious I suppose, given we have a bigger house in a more expensive area etc.

Earlier in the year (before covid....those were the days) we were out and had had a few cocktails and she just came out and asked what DP earned. I was a bit taken aback and remember actually blushing, which I don't really do! It wasn't just the fact that she asked me, it was the way that she asked me. I nervously laughed "you can't ask that" to which she replied, "what's the big secret? I want to know how you can afford to live in x". I felt almost compelled and so I told her, which obviously now I regret, but I didn't want to appear secretive or rude, which was almost what she was implying.

Straight away, she looks cold. Almost pissed off actually and said something along the lines of "it's alright for some". I remember feeling really awkward and the night was cut short.

I put it down to too much booze and wasn't going to bring it up and just wanted to pretend it hadn't happened.

Since then though, every time we talk she manages to steer the conversation to the subject of money. It's actually bloody tiring. I feel like I have to watch everything I say now. Don't get me wrong, I was always sensitive and mindful of her situation, so would absolutely never brag, but now I feel like we can't even chat about every day mundane things without her making me feel guilty or spoilt.

I was nearly in tears the last time we spoke, because she asked "how are things in your perfect life then?".

She knows how far from perfect it is. I've had it tough for a very long time. Poor MH, bad past relationship, very difficult DC. I would be genuinely over the moon if things were better for her! And I would have been, regardless of my own financial situation.

The strangest thing is, she's always put very little value on money.

I don't want our friendship to fizzle out - I genuinely love her to bits, but if this continues, I can't see how we can continue to be friends.

WWYD? Am I right to be upset? Is this fixable?

OP posts:
IsaLain · 17/08/2020 19:24

@Xenia

Posted too soon.

And even then, the NDA could easily be challenged due to its problematic relationship with the Equality Act, which would trump it, because they would be used to prevent minorities from discovering discrimination.

Annonn31t · 17/08/2020 19:26

Name changed just to respond to you - it will not get any less awkward. In my experience she will keep making you feel uncomfortable. She may even ask to lend money. If I was you really think hard how much benefit you are getting from this friendship, it’s okay to end friendships if they start making you feel awkward and uncomfortable.

I once made a mistake of telling a friend we don’t get 30 hours free childcare, only 15 due to DP salary, it didn’t go down well with her! Now when someone brings it up for youngest I just make an excuse and say “oh he won’t settle for whole day, 15 hours is better”. The “friend” would always make little dugs about “well you guys can afford it” and other things. I kept having to justify having money doesn’t mean you don’t have problems!

justasking111 · 17/08/2020 19:28

When we were young we saved really hard to move house every few years. Friends were still drinking champagne and having a lovely time enjoying holidays abroad, cars, we kept our heads down, worked hard and saved. When we found our dream home, 4th house a wreck which we extended and did up making it a real asset. It could have been very awkward but because a close family member had died a few months previously it was assumed gossiped we had inherited the money, that funnily enough was ok because we were just lucky. We never disabused them.

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Iwonder08 · 17/08/2020 19:29

Cut her off. She is jealous and it won't change whatever conversation you try to have to clear things up.

wishingitwasfriday · 17/08/2020 19:29

@Xenia

In my view you breached your husband's privacy rights and broke the law by disclosing his salary unless he had given you consent and his employer allows it - many employment contracts do not allow the figure to be disclosed. People need to think very carefully before disclosing this - the husband might lose his job for the figure getting out and the individual disclosing the information might be in trouble for breach of data protection law and breach of confidentiality.
Utter drivel. She has not broken the law and any contract stating non disclosure of salary would be unenforceable. As previous posters have mentioned it's this kind of talk that stops people discussing salaries and contributes to why women end up being paid less.
Cadent · 17/08/2020 19:30

She sounds jealous. I agree with pp, call her out on it. Something like you find her constant references to money very upsetting.

She's not after your DH is she? Grin

CuriousaboutSamphire · 17/08/2020 19:32

WWYD? Am I right to be upset? Is this fixable?

I probably wouldn't have told her, but I can see how it was done!

You probably can't fix it but you can tell her to wind her neck in. You can be quite blunt, not too bothered about insulting her, as she hasn't bothered to take your feelings into account.

Something like "Stop it! He earns what he earns, our lives are not perfect and you are being ridiculous. Green doesn't suit you. If you can't stop with the envy and snide comments then we can no longer be friends. Your jealousy is spoiling a perfectly good friendship. Shape up or ship out!"

derenstar · 17/08/2020 19:34

I’ve learned the hard way that a friend who can’t be happy for you is not a true friend. I would personally let her go OP, you’ve reached the end of the road with this one and life is way to short to be justifying yourself to anyone.

WiltedWillows · 17/08/2020 19:36

Tell her perhaps if she stopped feeling jealous and sorry for herself, she too may find her happy ever after!

BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou · 17/08/2020 19:36

@Lumene

many employment contracts do not allow the figure to be disclosed.

Wow I had no idea of this!

Which would make it very difficult for people to get mortgages, loans, credit cards etc.....

What a load of tosh!

Roselilly36 · 17/08/2020 19:40

She’s no friend, sounds jealous, distance yourself would be my advice, let the friendship come to an end.

toodlesmoon · 17/08/2020 19:42

She is jealous and being unreasonable. However I will say that I understand it. If many things are going wrong in her life and she is struggling, she might get bitter if she thinks you have it all on a plate. She is not really having a go at you, but is angry about her own circumstances. Doesnt make it right though and you should tell her off for it.

I agree with this although if he earns millions then maybe she wants you to pay for cocktails! 😆

justasking111 · 17/08/2020 19:44

@Cadent

She sounds jealous. I agree with pp, call her out on it. Something like you find her constant references to money very upsetting.

She's not after your DH is she? Grin

You can laugh, that is exactly what a friend of mine did when her partner left her in dire financial straits. She frightened him half to death Grin
lyralalala · 17/08/2020 19:49

@Xenia

In my view you breached your husband's privacy rights and broke the law by disclosing his salary unless he had given you consent and his employer allows it - many employment contracts do not allow the figure to be disclosed. People need to think very carefully before disclosing this - the husband might lose his job for the figure getting out and the individual disclosing the information might be in trouble for breach of data protection law and breach of confidentiality.
Did you hear the point as it whizzed over your head?

You always bring such a unique insight to threads. Surely with you being a lawyer and all you should know employers cannot actually stop you disclosing your salary to anyone?

CtrlU · 17/08/2020 19:49

She sounds unfortunately very jealous and unhappy about her current situation.

Either tell her how you fell and tell her to stop behaving that way or you will have to end the friendship I suppose

toodlesmoon · 17/08/2020 19:50

Personally I don't get the secrecy over money. You can often guess by their job. I have a colleague who's dh is a partner in a MC law firm so I know hes earning a wedge. She does moan about not being able to afford this or that & all the benefit scrounges 🙄

christinarossetti19 · 17/08/2020 19:51

That's hysterical advice from a lawyer...

Wonder how much that would set you back IRL.

TorgosPizza · 17/08/2020 19:52

To be honest, she may not be worth having as a friend, if she's that bitter or jealous and unable to get over it. But if you're insistent about keeping her in your life, the only thing you can do is drag the issue into the light and force her to face it.

Tell her you value the friendship, but you're tired of being made to feel awkward and guilty when you haven't done anything to deserve it. If she hears you and changes, fine! However, she may not be able to let it go, and if that's the case, you're better off letting things fizzle. A good friend shouldn't keep making hurtful, spiteful comments just because you've ended up with a high earner!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 17/08/2020 19:53

Your income is not her business.

I think you have no real friendship. You may be better ending it because she will make you feel awful every time you so much as meet for coffee.

AcrossthePond55 · 17/08/2020 19:54

Any NDA re salary is usually stipulated that you can't tell any coworkers what you earn. I suppose that could be 'expanded' to include a spouse telling a coworker's spouse. Employers don't want workers coming in and demanding raises because they aren't earning as much as XXX in the same job is earning.

But I highly doubt that OP has broken any such disclosure rule, if they're even legal in the UK. A person cannot 'bind' another person to a contract without their consent.

sonjadog · 17/08/2020 19:56

I think you are going to have to be blunt and tell her to stop it as she is ruining your friendship. She is behaving poorly about this - it isn't your fault.

AnnaSW1 · 17/08/2020 19:56

She's no friend. I'd stop contact.

I wouldn't have shared the info about his salary and it was rude of her to ask

Savvylover211 · 17/08/2020 19:59

@Lumene

many employment contracts do not allow the figure to be disclosed.

Wow I had no idea of this!

Yep. It's mostly in place to stop employees telling each other how much they make as most often there WILL be differences in pay for people doing the exact same job. About a year ago I found out a colleague who graduated uni the same year and had the same qualifications was being paid a fair bit more than me. She was newer at the job than I was, I had more experience after uni and was more competant at the job. But when they were hiring her they were desperate to fill the space and she was debating between that and a different job so they offered her more money which ended up being more than my pay.
latticechaos · 17/08/2020 20:02

@bugsinarow

She obviously feels really shit about her life and herself.

we can't even chat about every day mundane things Things that are mundane to you, may not be for her anymore - they may be things she really needs to save for or has to forego. That's the thing with being poor.

You won't be able to understand how she feels or how her life is if you haven't lived with failure and poverty. All the problems you have had are easier to deal with with money. They just are. I've been affluent and piss poor. I am keenly aware of what a protective shield money is for just about everything life throws at you.

No, its not your fault her life has turned to crap, but if she is unable to see you without it causing her pain about how her life is, it may be that the relationship can't really continue.

I agree with a lot of this. She is handling it wrongly, and she shouldn't have asked.

I have been rather poor with a friend who became rather well off. I found her hard to talk to about my life because she was so determined not to discuss money we couldn't talk about any of my problems, as the root cause usually not enough money!

Money is a bit tricky really.

rattusrattus20 · 17/08/2020 20:03

She shouldn't have asked. You shouldn't have told her. She shouldn't have [repeatedly] brought it up again afterwards. Maybe the two of you just aren't good together any more.

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