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The joy has been sucked out of everything

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supadoopa · 24/07/2020 22:36

Let me start by saying I’m in Scotland so this isn’t about masks per se, but about the whole silly dance we are being made to do in order to go about our lives at the moment.

I went to a shopping centre today and won't be back.

It’s the first time I’ve worn a mask for any longer than a quick run into the local coop. I was probably in the centre for an hour and a half but there was sweat pouring down my neck. I felt suffocated and silenced. Hated it.

My baby looked at me like I was a monster and my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked.

But it wasn’t just masks that were the issue. There was a ludicrous one way system, which makes absolutely no sense to me if we are wearing masks and social distancing. Then every shop had a makeshift entry and exit and their own one way system which no one was observing.

At every turn I was being monitored by security guards, eyeballing me in anticipation of a wrongdoing, ready to pounce.

Almost every shop had a guard on duty forcing you to rub gel on your hands and that of my child before entering.

There were queues everywhere. All but one set of toilets shut, so queue for that too, and toilets themselves as dirty as ever because so many people using the same ones and no cleaning.

Inexplicably in most shops all but one set of tills were shut, again forcing people to congregate in long queues.

All the restaurants were again inexplicably closed apart from, yep, McDonalds and Costa. Both under small enclaves at the back of the centre. But in them you are allowed to take your mask off and eat off a table more or less. But in the main, high roofed wide open walkways of the centre, the mask must go back on.

The shops had little stock.

When I dared approach an M&S assistant to ask for a size (with a visor on like all the rest of the assistants at an angle that perfectly channels their exhalations directly at the person they’re talking too) I was barked at as if I was a naughty schoolgirl to the extent that I put the item back on the rack and walked out without buying anything.

Does anyone else think this is all utterly ludicrous?

Shops will not survive this.

We are all adults with our own minds and perfectly able to manage our selves. Why make masks mandatory if we then have to do all this makeshift posturing to appear to be avoiding each other when really we are being herded closer together.

As someone who you might consider a “hobby shopper” as in it’s one of my pastimes (and I’m not interested in any opinions about having a better hobby, if there weren’t millions like me there wouldn’t be any shops at all). I’m someone who will browse and buy, will pick up bits I don’t really need but just want. I will spend my money happily- if the experience gives me pleasure.

But now I think it’s going to be online for me. I won’t be back at the shopping centre. I won’t be visiting our city centre either as it’s just the same.

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TheDaydreamBelievers · 24/07/2020 23:52

Hey @MrsTravers - Scottish poster here. I prefer cotton masks that tie behind my head as they dont ping off. I also have an over the ear one. I use buffs (the ones you get for hillwalking) a lot - more convenient but also much hotter than a cotton mask.

DisobedientHamster · 24/07/2020 23:52

@Jaxhog

Ye gods, it's not as shite as DYING from COVID.

Of course it's tough. It's a Pandemic! No-one should expect this to be easy. Complain about being very sick, complain about dying or complain about losing your job. But a little inconvenience or shortness by shop staff? Don't you think THEY"RE suffering too?

No one ever said it was Hmm. Well, OP, you know, unless you're DYING of COVID, you complain about NOTHING, you hear?! Because NOTHING is as bad, ever, anytime, anywhere. NO ONE is allowed to express anything because god, it could be worse. You could be digging your own shithole with a teaspoon, eating dust and dying of Covid AT THE SAME TIME!!
IceCreamSummer20 · 24/07/2020 23:53

Secondly, if they don’t like what they have to do for their job, they could always apply for something else. My company just made 200 people redundant. They can join the back of that queue. Nice!

There are people who give a crap about others, even strangers, and will do for the common good.

Or people like you OP who care only about number 1 and whether you had a slightly inconvenienced 1.5 hours on a shopping trip.

Thank goodness there are loads of people who do care about the common good.

supadoopa · 24/07/2020 23:54

@MrsTravers I’ve seen lots of people wearing snood type things or bandanas.

Also I think as winter arrives we’ll be able to zip up a high collar on a coat or use a scarf without any issues.

My DH just pulls his polo neck over his nose. Yes he wears a polo neck quite a lot Smile

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OnceUponACat · 24/07/2020 23:56

Yabu. DD and I went into the West End today and had a lovely shopping day despite the mask. Everyone was super lively and polite, especially the shop assistant. Shops are sadly more empty but undoubtedly it does make for a nicer shopping experience. We were in public transport too and we coped very well. Ok it is not ideal but not a tragedy either.

supadoopa · 24/07/2020 23:57

@IceCreamSummer20 not sure where you get that I don’t “give a crap” about others.

It’s okay for shop assistants not to do their job (ie provide customer service) because they’re disgruntled but it’s not okay for me to be disgruntled because something I previously enjoyed immensely (and pays their wages) is now a joyless chore?

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IceCreamSummer20 · 24/07/2020 23:58

@IAintentDead if you want a cosy little whining box - personally message each other and complain to your hearts content. I think the government are totally incompetent. I am a scientist, I have a pretty good idea of what is going on. The only way to positively get through this is for people to care about each other, and get over themselves for small inconveniences.

DisobedientHamster · 24/07/2020 23:58

Can't there be one thread where you keep your noses out.

No. Expect the other one famous for me-railing every one of these threads with The Woe of the Shielding to appear shortly.

OP, I'm abroad just now shopping in craft stores for tat I don't need to decorate my house this Christmas. It's fucking marvellous. Masks everywhere but otherwise business as usual. After this, we're headed to a restaurant to eat food we don't need. I've also been to a sporting event and got drunk. It was fabulous.

Tootletum · 25/07/2020 00:01

@Heatherjayne1972 yes exactly! I have no issue with the mask on myself, although seeing it on everyone is a bit depressing. It's everything else - the endless signs, aggressive staff, queues, no stock. I've no idea why this thread has gone off about the fact that dying of COVID is worse. Yes, no shit, and we can just skip the shops altogether, which I will. People used to be able to complain about a bad meal in a restaurant without being reminded there are starving kids in Africa.

somewhereovertherainbutt · 25/07/2020 00:02

Has anyone seen these new stats from Florida? Youngish people are dying too, thanks to lockdown malaise and misinformation spread by various deniers/ sources. Even Trump has cancelled his rally www.ft.com/content/10c7e803-7d1a-4a68-a4ac-3cb59e203fbf

No one is 'saving the high street' by wandering about the shops during a pandemic while simultaneously complaining about wearing a mask. I hate masks too: I've got facial hyperhidrosis which is made embarrassingly worse by wearing a mask, but I understand the current scientific things AND I'm watching other countries for real evidence.

Do you imagine what would have happened if there'd been protests and disobedience about carrying gas masks in WW2?

DisobedientHamster · 25/07/2020 00:02

Firstly as a young otherwise healthy woman I have a tiny, tiny chance of dying from covid. There are only 20 cases overnight in Scotland so I think that’s a 1 in 13000 or something chance of catching it. Most of our cases are currently in care or hospital settings too. Not community transmission. I’m really not worried about dying from covid.

How very dare you?! You could spread it to the entire population of Alaska in record time just with your eyes, your thoughts are murderous! At any rate, prison isn't good enough, you should also be ostracised a la a Charlie Booker episode of Black Mirror for even thinking about yourself, your selfishness is worthy of lifetime deletion, my god, the science behind this says everyone will die before no-deal Brexit or get sick and be disabled forever and ever and it will all be your fault for even thinking such thoughts!

Dies shaking and crying.

PeppermintPasty · 25/07/2020 00:03

This isn’t my experience at all. Easy going here, in Cornwall. The tourists are out in force but hey ho.

I thought your OP was a bit over-dramatic really. All the shops I’ve been in have been pleasant and accommodating, and people seemed really sensible today. 🤷🏼‍♀️

DisobedientHamster · 25/07/2020 00:03

No, I can't imagine. Because this isn't fucking WWII.

cherryblossommorningstoday · 25/07/2020 00:04

Honestly can't believe these responses.

My 7 year old with ASD and sensory issues can manage to wear a mask... if everyone did it, there is a chance we can keep the numbers lower going into winter.

It is NOT hard. Do I like wearing a mask? NO but I'm willing to do it for the greater good.

whereistherum · 25/07/2020 00:04

I have to go into in town tomorrow and I am really not looking forward to it.

I have managed to finally get a face covering that is ok to wear. Plus the design is cool.

IceCreamSummer20 · 25/07/2020 00:05

[quote supadoopa]@IceCreamSummer20 not sure where you get that I don’t “give a crap” about others.

It’s okay for shop assistants not to do their job (ie provide customer service) because they’re disgruntled but it’s not okay for me to be disgruntled because something I previously enjoyed immensely (and pays their wages) is now a joyless chore?[/quote]
I get being a bit inconvenienced and wanting a small vent.

I too am finding a lot very hard. I have a disabled child who does not understand any rules at all. I cannot possibly go into a shop because he’d be grabbing everything and everyone, freaking out at masks etc. It is massively annoying for me and my life has really changed.

However I don’t get the humiliation, the glee from you and other posters - putting down the trying to put sensible systems in place, like mask wearing, one way systems and the like. It is like you refuse to comply because it’s all too much trouble and are saying why should you do it?

There is a big difference between a small moan. Which I get. And saying this is all nonsense and such hard work that you don’t think we should be doing it.

And yes I imagine shop workers are being a bit tetchy - I know quite a few people who are shop workers and they are having to deal with a lot of crap at the moment, so I’d cut them a bit of slack. We obviously don’t have to work in a shop do we, so we should feel a bit lucky and be a bit compassionate.

MrsTravers · 25/07/2020 00:05

@TheDaydreamBelievers @supadoopa thanks for that, some other options to try. I do have polo necks too but it was a bit warm for that today Grin.

I'm not sure that the 'it's better than dying from/passing on COVID' posters have got quite the point. I have no doubt that it is, but that's not the option here, is it. If something isn't pleasant, people won't do it as a leisure activity. And if people won't shop, that's bad news for the shops and all of us longer term.

I walked out of Clark's last week as the assistant looked so appalled at me trying to bring in my children. As I was trying to buy shoes for them, this struck me as somewhat odd......

DisobedientHamster · 25/07/2020 00:08

@cherryblossommorningstoday

Honestly can't believe these responses.

My 7 year old with ASD and sensory issues can manage to wear a mask... if everyone did it, there is a chance we can keep the numbers lower going into winter.

It is NOT hard. Do I like wearing a mask? NO but I'm willing to do it for the greater good.

Misses the point spectacularly; didn't read and comprehend the entire OP:

this isn’t about masks per se

But it wasn’t just masks that were the issue.

IceCreamSummer20 · 25/07/2020 00:09

@DisobedientHamster oh my you are such a rebel! Hmm Have a point but putting people down sarcastically so vehemently is a bit OTT!

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DisobedientHamster · 25/07/2020 00:12

[quote IceCreamSummer20]@DisobedientHamster oh my you are such a rebel! Hmm Have a point but putting people down sarcastically so vehemently is a bit OTT![/quote]
I wasn't putting people down. Never mind Hmm. I'm just killing time until the rest of this house finally manages to get ready so we can go out to eat again, FFS. The teens are taking forever and I'm famished.

supadoopa · 25/07/2020 00:14

@DisobedientHamster for just a moment there you had me... jaw on the floor!

I like your style.

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DisobedientHamster · 25/07/2020 00:15

Grin @ supa

supadoopa · 25/07/2020 00:16

@IceCreamSummer20 nowhere did I say I refuse to comply.

I wore the mask, I gelled my hands, I followed the arrows and stood on the dots.

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