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The joy has been sucked out of everything

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supadoopa · 24/07/2020 22:36

Let me start by saying I’m in Scotland so this isn’t about masks per se, but about the whole silly dance we are being made to do in order to go about our lives at the moment.

I went to a shopping centre today and won't be back.

It’s the first time I’ve worn a mask for any longer than a quick run into the local coop. I was probably in the centre for an hour and a half but there was sweat pouring down my neck. I felt suffocated and silenced. Hated it.

My baby looked at me like I was a monster and my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked.

But it wasn’t just masks that were the issue. There was a ludicrous one way system, which makes absolutely no sense to me if we are wearing masks and social distancing. Then every shop had a makeshift entry and exit and their own one way system which no one was observing.

At every turn I was being monitored by security guards, eyeballing me in anticipation of a wrongdoing, ready to pounce.

Almost every shop had a guard on duty forcing you to rub gel on your hands and that of my child before entering.

There were queues everywhere. All but one set of toilets shut, so queue for that too, and toilets themselves as dirty as ever because so many people using the same ones and no cleaning.

Inexplicably in most shops all but one set of tills were shut, again forcing people to congregate in long queues.

All the restaurants were again inexplicably closed apart from, yep, McDonalds and Costa. Both under small enclaves at the back of the centre. But in them you are allowed to take your mask off and eat off a table more or less. But in the main, high roofed wide open walkways of the centre, the mask must go back on.

The shops had little stock.

When I dared approach an M&S assistant to ask for a size (with a visor on like all the rest of the assistants at an angle that perfectly channels their exhalations directly at the person they’re talking too) I was barked at as if I was a naughty schoolgirl to the extent that I put the item back on the rack and walked out without buying anything.

Does anyone else think this is all utterly ludicrous?

Shops will not survive this.

We are all adults with our own minds and perfectly able to manage our selves. Why make masks mandatory if we then have to do all this makeshift posturing to appear to be avoiding each other when really we are being herded closer together.

As someone who you might consider a “hobby shopper” as in it’s one of my pastimes (and I’m not interested in any opinions about having a better hobby, if there weren’t millions like me there wouldn’t be any shops at all). I’m someone who will browse and buy, will pick up bits I don’t really need but just want. I will spend my money happily- if the experience gives me pleasure.

But now I think it’s going to be online for me. I won’t be back at the shopping centre. I won’t be visiting our city centre either as it’s just the same.

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Mascotte · 25/07/2020 21:46

Doesn’t appear to have helped in Spain 🤷‍♀️

SengaStrawberry · 25/07/2020 21:48

@Mascotte

Doesn’t appear to have helped in Spain 🤷‍♀️
My thoughts exactly
wentawaycameback · 25/07/2020 22:05

Well done OP- you decided to 'light the blue touch paper' and disappear. Mums Net at its absolute worst- moaning about wearing a mask because it is uncomfortable and spoils everything. Wear a mask/don't wear a mask but get a bloody grip.

Mrsemcgregor · 25/07/2020 22:10

@SengaStrawberry sorry I legitimately have dyscalculia, I have tried to work out the % of 50k to 300k but keep coming up with Around 20%? Where am I going wrong?

I’m not trying to mislead, genuinely baffled by numbers. It’s a learning difficulty I have.

TheGreatWave · 25/07/2020 22:14

[quote Mrsemcgregor]@SengaStrawberry sorry I legitimately have dyscalculia, I have tried to work out the % of 50k to 300k but keep coming up with Around 20%? Where am I going wrong?

I’m not trying to mislead, genuinely baffled by numbers. It’s a learning difficulty I have.[/quote]
Oh I see where you have got your figure from - you are thinking a % rate of confirmed cases as being the death rate, rather than the death total as a % of the population which is how it is generally reported.

MushMonster · 25/07/2020 22:18

At least you got some toilets open! I did try to get to them today, and they were all closed! It is not ay good for browsing at all at the moment. We sadly just do not go at least we really need something

Mrsemcgregor · 25/07/2020 22:20

@TheGreatWave oh, I assume we would maybe need to predict a number of people that have had the virus as not everyone is tested? Sorry, I understand now.

It must be essentially impossible to know the actual mortality rate then? As we can never truly know how many people were without symptoms/mild cases?

RollercoasterRaver · 25/07/2020 22:45

Gosh I do hate wearing a mask too, it's hot, makes me feel claustrophobic and just makes me want to be in and out super quick. I found it was much harder dealing with my DD3 with the mask on as it disorientated me ever so slightly too.

I think some will now go out shopping more as they feel safer with masks but equally you will get those that will now stop it. I enjoyed three hours in a garden centre a few weeks ago with my mum and DD, browsing and buying a few bits. That won't happen for us now, I'm so uncomfortable wearing a mask, it takes the joy away.

MaxNormal · 25/07/2020 23:15

Mrsemcgregor there are various studies undertaken from sample groups to try and get an idea of mortality which is then extrapolated to population level.
These studies are pointing at a fatality rate of around 0.65%.

Kez200 · 26/07/2020 02:33

When I found the mask annoying, I thought of the medics and hospital staff wearing heavy duty PPE for full shifts. It does put it into perspective

NewKittyMeow · 26/07/2020 09:02

@Kez200

I have no objection to wearing a mask if its sensible to do so but, indeed, if its annoying people will only do it when they have too, and any activity done for fun, that isnt any more, will reduce or end. Many shops will lose out.
Yes, totally agree with this. I enjoy having a browse round town usually - wearing a mask makes it much less enjoyable so I’ll do it much less. My bank balance will thank me for it!
MadameButterface · 26/07/2020 10:29

I would suggest that everyone moaning about being ‘barked at’ by cashiers and security guards have a look at some of the articles on their increased risk of death from coronavirus and have a word with themselves. Most of them earn below living wage. Try not to be a cunt about it. And the gleeful ‘well they’ll be sorry when they all lose their jobs’ is a bit revolting too. I am sure that this has also occurred to them, along with the increased risk to their lives and health. It takes a special kind of person to get a stroppy attitude with retail staff in these circumstances i think.

here are the ONS figures on CV death rates broken down by occupation, it is clear that there is a class divide at play here, with professional occupations being at lower than average risk and low earning public facing roles being at a higher risk. Considering these people are also likely to be on zero hours/temporary contracts and were probably struggling before all this, all the outrage that they’re not being sufficiently servile to their more fortunate middle class patrons makes for grim reading. And before everyone piles on me yes i know that everyone’s going through things blah blah, but just have a read and a think and a word with yourselves before you start getting the arse with retail/catering/transport workers

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Mascotte · 26/07/2020 11:21

@DownstairsMixUp perfectly put, sums it up for me

OverTheRainbow88 · 26/07/2020 11:21

@DownstairsMixUp

Amen to that

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Comtesse · 26/07/2020 11:31

I agree with you - think it will kill off bricks and mortar retail. Very sad.

Kazzyhoward · 26/07/2020 12:11

@Comtesse

I agree with you - think it will kill off bricks and mortar retail. Very sad.
It will certainly hasten the demise of a lot of the identikit chain stores that have done untold harm to town centres for the last few decades. That may not necessarily be a bad thing. They caused the demise of thousands of small and/or independent shops when they started to dominate the High street. In recent years, they've been driving customers online - the likes of M&S and Clarks reducing the stocks held in their shops and telling customers to order online instead. What comes around goes around.
BrightYellowDaffodil · 26/07/2020 12:17

@MadameButterface

I get that working in any sort of public facing role must be really worrying, I really do, and if I worked in retail I’d be bloody scared by those statistics.

But it is not an excuse for rudeness and aggression against people who are maybe also scared and anxious, and who will be put off using shops where they have an unpleasant experience. I don’t wish a job loss on anyone but if shop staff contribute to making going to a store such a horrible experience that people avoid it, they can’t be too surprised if the store disappearing means it takes their job with it.

For the example I have above of Superdrug, I now shop online. There are three stores within a few miles so I imagine if a proportion of their through-the-door custom does as I’ve done, there won’t be enough business to support all three stores. I feel sorry for those who will be affected but I’m not a bloody masochist who enjoys being made to feel shit for wanting some shampoo or accidentally going the wrong way while I’m looking for it.

Tolerance goes a long way, but it also goes in both directions.

ReturnofSaturn · 26/07/2020 12:20

The one thing I'm personally dreading is a whole long autumn and winter with no toddler groups, playgroups or play centres Sad

One of our local play centre has said they are not even due to be reviewed next until November.

So I assume that means the same with playgroups and toddler groups etc.

It probably won't be a big deal to those will less rambunctious toddlers who only go to these things occasionally anyway.

But my son has behavioural issues and these things were a lifesaver for me.
I'm already dreading the prospect of winter and all the days where we won't even be able to get out to the park.
He's a complete nightmare in the house Sad

Jeremyironsnothing · 26/07/2020 12:26

Return
Look in the sales at the moment and invest in waterproof suits for DC and waterproof trousers and jacket for yourself. At least then you can get out even on the worst days.

TheGreatWave · 26/07/2020 12:27

I am not sure how much we can take from the stats about professions, I am a HCP I haven't been near a hospital since 2003, if I died from CV my profession would be added to all other health workers despite me having worked from home since March. Without context (i.e did that catch it whilst at work) the stats aren't particularly helpful.

ReturnofSaturn · 26/07/2020 12:54

Jeremy

We will get all that gear but son wont even wear his hood up when it's raining Angry

He really needs to be around children more with the classes etc as he is so far behind developmentally. He's two and a half and non verbal too. Still waiting to see a paediatrician , we have been waiting almost a year.

We are paying to put him in nursery two mornings a week now, we can't really afford it but he needs it.

MadameButterface · 26/07/2020 13:27

@BrightYellowDaffodil are they being aggressive or are they just telling people to follow the guidelines? Muffled voices/not being able to lip read has been moaned about extensively so they have to raise their voices. Then get bitched about for ‘barking’ at people. Shop online, fair does, i prefer to anyway because the Superdrug near me always looks like it’s been attacked by make up wearing locusts, but i’m just saying, is there really any need for all this online bitching about people who are facing all the same things as we are (isolation, missing/worrying about family members, childcare worries, cancelled weddings and holidays, financial uncertainty) PLUS doing a thankless low paid job that has suddenly become a high risk to their health?