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The joy has been sucked out of everything

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supadoopa · 24/07/2020 22:36

Let me start by saying I’m in Scotland so this isn’t about masks per se, but about the whole silly dance we are being made to do in order to go about our lives at the moment.

I went to a shopping centre today and won't be back.

It’s the first time I’ve worn a mask for any longer than a quick run into the local coop. I was probably in the centre for an hour and a half but there was sweat pouring down my neck. I felt suffocated and silenced. Hated it.

My baby looked at me like I was a monster and my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked.

But it wasn’t just masks that were the issue. There was a ludicrous one way system, which makes absolutely no sense to me if we are wearing masks and social distancing. Then every shop had a makeshift entry and exit and their own one way system which no one was observing.

At every turn I was being monitored by security guards, eyeballing me in anticipation of a wrongdoing, ready to pounce.

Almost every shop had a guard on duty forcing you to rub gel on your hands and that of my child before entering.

There were queues everywhere. All but one set of toilets shut, so queue for that too, and toilets themselves as dirty as ever because so many people using the same ones and no cleaning.

Inexplicably in most shops all but one set of tills were shut, again forcing people to congregate in long queues.

All the restaurants were again inexplicably closed apart from, yep, McDonalds and Costa. Both under small enclaves at the back of the centre. But in them you are allowed to take your mask off and eat off a table more or less. But in the main, high roofed wide open walkways of the centre, the mask must go back on.

The shops had little stock.

When I dared approach an M&S assistant to ask for a size (with a visor on like all the rest of the assistants at an angle that perfectly channels their exhalations directly at the person they’re talking too) I was barked at as if I was a naughty schoolgirl to the extent that I put the item back on the rack and walked out without buying anything.

Does anyone else think this is all utterly ludicrous?

Shops will not survive this.

We are all adults with our own minds and perfectly able to manage our selves. Why make masks mandatory if we then have to do all this makeshift posturing to appear to be avoiding each other when really we are being herded closer together.

As someone who you might consider a “hobby shopper” as in it’s one of my pastimes (and I’m not interested in any opinions about having a better hobby, if there weren’t millions like me there wouldn’t be any shops at all). I’m someone who will browse and buy, will pick up bits I don’t really need but just want. I will spend my money happily- if the experience gives me pleasure.

But now I think it’s going to be online for me. I won’t be back at the shopping centre. I won’t be visiting our city centre either as it’s just the same.

OP posts:
rookiemere · 25/07/2020 17:50

Just back from a shopping expedition. Bought a new fabric mask - amazingly considering it's the biggest area of sales growth - I could only find them in a card shop. Resent spending even more money on masks but struggling to breathe in my black fabric one and at least I was able to spend money to a local shop.

Amusingly I spotted some people wearing "designer" masks - hard to believe that's actually a thing Hmm.

Most shops open apart from charity shops, which apparently have been repurposed as collection points. Not to worry - said a jolly poster - as I could still purchase items online. But as everyone knows the thrill of a charity shop is in the finding and touching of the items. The dress I wore to our last Christmas do - which elicited a lot of compliments, was actually a JoJo Maman Bebe maternity dress Blush charity shop purchase. Zero way I'd have bought it online.

The actual JoJo Maman Bebe had a sale on and thought I'd like to buy something nice for our niece. Shop was actually locked and shop assistant had to unlock to let people in, which somewhat takes the sheen off impulse shopping.

I hope most of the shops survive, but unless retailers and charities figure out a way to make this work quickly, then they simply won't.

Bollss · 25/07/2020 17:52

Nobodies comparing wearing a mask to being in a concentration camp.

What we are comparing is how the public have reached. Snitching on neighbours. It all got very us and them very quickly.

I always wondered how you could control a population and essentially change them so easily, turn them against one another.

And then it happened here, and it was actually really easy to make people act like that.

Fear does funny things to people. The thing is people rightly feared the leaders of Nazi Germany, nowadays were fearing a virus that over 99% of us will survive.

Staplemaple · 25/07/2020 17:54

Amusingly I spotted some people wearing "designer" masks - hard to believe that's actually a thing hmm.

Makes sense really, fashion brands specialise in making wearable garments out of fabric, no surprise they've branched out into making something that everyone has to wear.

SockYarn · 25/07/2020 17:56

Amusingly I spotted some people wearing "designer" masks - hard to believe that's actually a thing

Yes! I saw a middle aged man in Aldi yesterday in an "Adidas" mask. Whether it's genuine though I have no idea. Probably knock-off.

saraclara · 25/07/2020 18:14

@IntermittentParps

I'm on holiday down south and omg the difference is incredible and the people are so rude.

I live 'down south' (in That London, in fact) and in my neighbourhood people are almost universally being considerate, polite and friendly.

Here in the south I've found retail staff almost universally trying to make a difficult situation as bearable as possible, with lots of smiles, greetings and apologies when we've had to queue. And I'm originally from the north.
Bookridden · 25/07/2020 18:39

Well said OP. Also, it's bollocks that putting a bit of tissue in your mask stops your glasses from steaming up.

LemonadePockets · 25/07/2020 18:42

Braehead? I won’t be returning either for a long time

mbosnz · 25/07/2020 19:00

I'm in the South too, and have been so impressed with the attitude and professionalism of pretty much every single retail person assistant we've interacted with, bar one. And he's always been a jackass.

I'm particularly impressed, I have to say, with the young ones, especially given how rude and offhand some people seem to almost take a pride in being with them.

DisobedientHamster · 25/07/2020 19:53

Amusingly I spotted some people wearing "designer" masks - hard to believe that's actually a thing hmm.

Why not? I'm abroad, seen all kinds of very creative masks and designer ones, too.

Mrsemcgregor · 25/07/2020 20:04

Well I don’t think we can really expect a worldwide pandemic caused by a novel virus that as yet does not have a vaccine or cure to be fun can we?

Was anyone really expecting life to be back to normal already? We have about a 10% fatality rate in the U.K. which thankfully is being taken seriously.

It’s horrible, it really is. Having a little moan about it is fine, having a full on meltdown is also fine. But we really need to stop with the bitterness towards anyone with a difference of opinion. We definitely need to stop with the conspiracy theories and comparisons to terrible human travesties.

SengaStrawberry · 25/07/2020 20:12

We have about a 10% fatality rate in the U.K.

Since when?

Fatality rate is around 1%.

Kez200 · 25/07/2020 20:14

I have no objection to wearing a mask if its sensible to do so but, indeed, if its annoying people will only do it when they have too, and any activity done for fun, that isnt any more, will reduce or end. Many shops will lose out.

amusedtodeath1 · 25/07/2020 20:14

[quote rookiemere]@amusedtodeath1 surely we're allowed to question what are and aren't effective measures of controlling levels if infections? We don't live in a communist country - yet - so we are allowed debate. STFU and do what you're told is not a reasonable response.[/quote]
But you're not questioning, not looking at current research, what you're actually doing is using non factual or old data to back up your opinion. You're telling everyone they are stupid for being concerned/following guidance. If you were interested in real debate I'd have no problems with it, but it's just an excercise in educating the poor stupid fools who don't reject advice just because it's inconvenient.

Mrsemcgregor · 25/07/2020 20:15

@SengaStrawberry

We have about a 10% fatality rate in the U.K.

Since when?

Fatality rate is around 1%.

Worldometer was reporting this as our rate? 299k cases and 50k deaths with adjustments for unreported cases?
Kez200 · 25/07/2020 20:16

Ans why not wear a designer mask if they want too, so long as it works?

slipperywhensparticus · 25/07/2020 20:48

@SengaStrawberry

We have about a 10% fatality rate in the U.K.

Since when?

Fatality rate is around 1%.

No one knows the fatality rate yet due to the figures being all over the place
Dowser · 25/07/2020 20:56

@bibbitybobbitycats
Well the nazi state had to start somewhere

runningpram · 25/07/2020 21:01

I was in Uniqlo today big shop virtually empty but customers made to queue. 40 min queue outside in the rain, until allowed in. I totally understand the need to take precautions for the sake of staff but this did all seem a bit extreme.Why bother opening at all if they are so reluctant to take our money!

Echobelly · 25/07/2020 21:01

It's unpleasant but unfortunately we can't go back to normal shopping at the moment. It could all turn out to be unnecessary, but we just don't know enough to carry on as normal. I'm not imagining I will 'leisure shop' until it's safe to do so without lots of mitigation, and will continue to buy online except for when using local shops.

Echobelly · 25/07/2020 21:04

@Dowser - please don't use Nazi analogies about this, it is totally inappropriate. I am having to tell several people this every week and it's quite upsetting.

GalesThisMorning · 25/07/2020 21:20

Yes I agree. @Dowser its really ignorant to equate having to wear a mask whilst shopping during a pandemic to living under the nazi regime. I've said this on so many threads. What is wrong with you people?

SengaStrawberry · 25/07/2020 21:25

No one knows the fatality rate yet due to the figures being all over the place

Nothing suggests it’s 10% though! Everything I have read suggests 0.5% - 1%. The modelling which led to lockdown was based on it being 1% which was bad enough in terms of numbers. I never heard of anything suggesting we would have ended up with 6 million dead, which would have been the figure in the modelling if it was 10%

SengaStrawberry · 25/07/2020 21:27

Worldometer was reporting this as our rate? 299k cases and 50k deaths with adjustments for unreported cases?

It isn’t 10%. The world would be in absolute meltdown (even worse than now!) if it was!

GoldenOmber · 25/07/2020 21:31

[quote Dowser]@bibbitybobbitycats
Well the nazi state had to start somewhere[/quote]
Yeah, it started with Hitler declaring himself dictator, the government banning all non-Aryans from working in public service, mass arrests of political opponents and big public book burnings. Oh and they opened Dachau.

Have a word with yourself.

Jeremyironsnothing · 25/07/2020 21:40

Nobody likes wearing them but it's a necessary evil. Those who won't (not can't) are selfish.

You can choose to moan or you can try to make the best out of a bad situation.One will make you happier than the other. You choose.

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