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How do I stop unintentionally offending my friends?

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ninjaturtle000 · 21/07/2020 20:46

Thoughts please, be as blunt as you like.

I'll try to keep this short but I will give background for context.

I have a small group of close friends who have been in my life for 20+ years. We're the same age. Our lives have all been fairly similar but my financial situation has improved over the last few years, while theirs hasn't and I feel it's starting to cause issues even though I do not discuss money.

So my situation is that I am now a stay at home mother. Before that, I worked FT and in a fairly well paid job for my age and experience (higher rate taxpayer). Before we had the children we saved really hard, sold our starter home and bought a 4 bed family home for quite a good price. It's shot up
in value since (although I expect that will take a hit!). DH has a really good job and earns really well. He works his bum off, and is out of the house 7-7 in normal times (currently WFH). We decided to have two children because we knew we could afford that comfortably.

We don't struggle for money but we are very sensible. We drive old second hand cars, don't holiday abroad, shop at Aldi etc. On the other hand, if I want to buy the children some nice clothes (nothing excessive, places like Frugi etc) then I do and don't worry about it.

In my friendship group we have another sahm with a high earning partner but they have lots and lots of debt and are renting. They have five children and find it tough financially. Another is a nurse, homeowner with three children with an average earning partner, they do ok I think. One is a civil servant, homeowner with three children and another average earning partner, again I think they do ok and the other is a secretary with a low earning partner, own home and four children.

As I said, I don't talk about money. But recently I've had quite a few comments which have been really off, and it's starting to bother me. I don't know if it's something I'm doing, or not.

For example, our group chat the other week one was really suffering with her skin. Asked for skincare recommendations. I sent a photo of what I use, and immediately got comments of "huh well we can't all afford that!" (It's nothing excessive, again, mid range I think it was £18). Didn't think much of it.

I put a photo on FB of my children playing in the sand the other day and got comments about how I let them messy play in expensive clothes (they were from Next) and that I must be made of money.

I went for a socially distanced walk with two of them yesterday and I had a new handbag. I didn't mention it, they did and asked where it was from. Told them Boden and I said I'd got it in the sale reduced from £100 to £30 but they didn't really listen just said how nice it must be to be able to buy leather bags willy nilly especially when I don't work!

We were discussing ordering the children's school uniform the other day as one mum has a child just starting at school. I agreed that is bloody expensive etc. Asked where I got trousers from, I said Next as I find they wash and wear well. Cue shouts of "what a waste of money, nothing wrong with supermarket clothes, don't be such a snob!".

What I haven't told them is that we've recently come into a substantial early inheritance. It's enough that we will be able to buy a significantly bigger house in a nicer area and some land with no problems and that is what we plan to do. Another friend is also moving house (buying a bigger one) and I said that we're moving too (didn't say a word about upsizing etc) and again it started "you can't possibly need a bigger house, your house is huge" (it not, it's just a normal semi) "you've only got two children why do you need more space it's ridiculous think of us all crammed into a three bed" (we don't need extra space per se but it's an investment) .

My figure was also commented on yesterday. I've been carrying 4st of extra weight since I had my children. We've had a tough time of it with health problems with one child and I've been lacking the motivation to sort myself out. Since lockdown I've lost 3 of the 4 stone. Again I didn't mention it, but when I saw them there was a "wow, look at you that's great" followed by "you're going to get so scrawny, how have you managed that don't you eat any more? Are you taking diet pills?" I am still a stone overweight I'm nowhere near scrawny (or even slim!).

Aside from this I have no issue with these friends. We share a lot, we're close and we have been for a very long time. I just seem to offend or annoy them just by living my life quietly. I know there is a difference in our financial situations and I'm mindful of it. I don't show off, I wouldn't dream of suggesting we go to an more expensive place to eat/drink etc. It's always commented on when I buy a drink as I only really like a certain type of red wine (my days of drinking shots are done!) and apparently it's 'posh'. I don't like alcohol much, but I do like a glass of red. Who cares? I'm not bothered how much money my friends do or don't have.

One of the working friends said the other day in our group chat said that sahms need to be careful because we're going to be "screwed when we're old because we'll have no pensions". I agreed it was a risk but said we pay into a pension for me so I wasn't worried and I got back "of course you do, Mrs sensible, I bet you've got life insurance and a will too!" (I have, LI is a condition of the mortgage and surely a will is sensible?!).

Some of our being comfortable is down to pure luck (the early inheritance). Some of it is down to sensible financial decisions, saving hard, not getting into debt and keeping our family small. But I'm constantly being made to feel like I'm doing something wrong.

Am I?

OP posts:
Cheesypea · 21/07/2020 20:51

I'd probably call them out, sounds bitchy.

MrsWooster · 21/07/2020 20:56

Gentle and firm: pick up every jibe and point out that it feels as if they are criticising you / implying x, y, or z etc. Not challenging As such, but drawing their attention to how you perceive their comments. Every time.

C130 · 21/07/2020 20:56

Life is too short for all of this bs. If your friends are always making you feel bad why spend time with them? Maybe tell them how you feel.

maresedotes · 21/07/2020 20:56

They don't sound very friendly. Could you pick your closest friend and ask her what's going on? You don't appear to flaunt anything so I don't know why they act like this.

Soubriquet · 21/07/2020 20:58

You aren’t offending them

They are being bitchy and rude and obviously jealous

Immigrantsong · 21/07/2020 21:00

Why the fuck are you friends with tosses like that? Maybe next time they have a dig at you, laugh it out by saying you will afford to find better friends. Come on OP, they are taking the absolute piss.

livefornaps · 21/07/2020 21:00

Fucking hell they sound horrendous, what's the point of them?

Mummyshark2018 · 21/07/2020 21:05

They don't Sound like friends. They appear jealous and you seem like an easy target for them if you live a quiet life and don't complain about things etc.

Knittedfairies · 21/07/2020 21:05

Plain jealousy OP; you're not doing anything wrong. I think you need new friends.

Mummyshark2018 · 21/07/2020 21:05

They don't Sound like friends. They appear jealous and you seem like an easy target for them if you live a quiet life and don't complain about things etc.

Ell19 · 21/07/2020 21:06

They really don’t sound like nice friends.

BitOfFun · 21/07/2020 21:07

Like MrsWooster says, repeat their words back to them and wait.

Whataroyalannoyance · 21/07/2020 21:07

They are not friends.

Ragwort · 21/07/2020 21:08

They are not your friends, true friends don't act like that ... please don't hang around with them, meet new people who value your friendship.

Heartlake · 21/07/2020 21:09

Friends should be happy for each other whatever the circumstances. A friend told me and some other friends that they got £200k more than the asking price recently when they sold their house because there were two parties interested. That's nearly the value of my house all up! But I'm happy for her. She and her DH have both worked hard and made sacrifices.

Friends raise you up OP, you have a maturity that these women don't. It's time to start gently expanding your circle. But some people genuinely cannot think of a better conversation than to comment on where you bought your child's uniform. Sending hugs... I know this is difficult.

RainbowFlowers · 21/07/2020 21:09

Are you sure its not just banter? (Genuine question, I'm not saying it is) I think sometimes banter can hit a nerve if its something that you have a sensitivity over or feel insecure about.
When it hits a nerve its hard to see it as banter and it feels like an intended insult.

BogRollBOGOF · 21/07/2020 21:11

With "friends" like that, who needs enemies?

They sound like pathetic, insecure, bullies. They are not behaving as friends who would be pleased for you.

IKEA888 · 21/07/2020 21:11

My instinct is that what be more to this.
Are they all.like this or is there a ring leader.
They sound horrible .
I think you need to call them out next time it happens at the time

Janaih · 21/07/2020 21:12

Agree with others. Find some nice friends, these ones are nasty.

Figgygal · 21/07/2020 21:12

They’re bitchy and jealous OP
You aren’t doing anything wrong so can’t actively change anything you are doing nor should you

theliverpoolone · 21/07/2020 21:12

Aside from this I have no issue with these friends .

I think that's more than enough! They're not hiding their jealousy are they. They sound quite mean, OP - you need to let them know how hurtful they're being, and if they carry on, they're really not good friends.

ninjaturtle000 · 21/07/2020 21:13

That's the thing, apart from this they are nice. We have a huge amount of shared history. We've been through everything together, from lots of terrible men, being young, single and partying hard years ago, to meeting partners, marriages, babies, losses, relationship issues. I'm godparent to several of their children. I was bridesmaid at their weddings (and they were mine). They're like my family.

I do live a quiet life and just get on with things but I'm not a particularly quiet person. Normally with any other bitchy comment I'd step straight on it. But what can I say about jibes regarding money? "Because I can afford it?" "I can do this because we're sensible with money/don't get into debt"? "We can afford X because we only have two children/DH earns well and works hard"? All of those things also sound smug, bitchy, mean and judgy of their life choices. I couldn't give a shit if they have ten children but obviously that will impact on their finances. They don't need me to point that out, I guess is how I feel.

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Dorobie · 21/07/2020 21:13

It’s jealousy op.

I seem to live a very similar life to you. My dh has a decent salary and I’m on a half decent wage (2 yrs in to teaching). I too like to buy high quality clothes for my children, of which I have 2. Shop at Aldi, take low key holidays. Live within our means.

I’m in the middle in my friendship groups. Some earn more and have fancier houses in the more rural areas nearby an affluent village. Our house is on the edge of a lovely not so affluent but mid range price wise village. Other friends are low earners, in cheaper housing and less affluent villages.

Every now and again I might get a snipe such as what you’ve experienced... usually the jumping in mud in frugi clothing.
But it’s not on the level of what you’re experiencing. I think I’d struggle spending too much time with them.

Are there not other mums similar to you in the area?

Pangur2 · 21/07/2020 21:14

They sound like they’ve developed into frenemies. Have they always been a bit like this? I couldn’t put up with constant sniping like that (about anything) and would probably withdraw a fair bit.

Dorobie · 21/07/2020 21:20

I didn’t realise you’d known many of these people for years. Pre children! Maybe you’ve outgrown eachother?

My best friend and I both used buy fancy stuff and the take the piss out of each other for doing so... but it is genuine banter which goes both ways.

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