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How do I stop unintentionally offending my friends?

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ninjaturtle000 · 21/07/2020 20:46

Thoughts please, be as blunt as you like.

I'll try to keep this short but I will give background for context.

I have a small group of close friends who have been in my life for 20+ years. We're the same age. Our lives have all been fairly similar but my financial situation has improved over the last few years, while theirs hasn't and I feel it's starting to cause issues even though I do not discuss money.

So my situation is that I am now a stay at home mother. Before that, I worked FT and in a fairly well paid job for my age and experience (higher rate taxpayer). Before we had the children we saved really hard, sold our starter home and bought a 4 bed family home for quite a good price. It's shot up
in value since (although I expect that will take a hit!). DH has a really good job and earns really well. He works his bum off, and is out of the house 7-7 in normal times (currently WFH). We decided to have two children because we knew we could afford that comfortably.

We don't struggle for money but we are very sensible. We drive old second hand cars, don't holiday abroad, shop at Aldi etc. On the other hand, if I want to buy the children some nice clothes (nothing excessive, places like Frugi etc) then I do and don't worry about it.

In my friendship group we have another sahm with a high earning partner but they have lots and lots of debt and are renting. They have five children and find it tough financially. Another is a nurse, homeowner with three children with an average earning partner, they do ok I think. One is a civil servant, homeowner with three children and another average earning partner, again I think they do ok and the other is a secretary with a low earning partner, own home and four children.

As I said, I don't talk about money. But recently I've had quite a few comments which have been really off, and it's starting to bother me. I don't know if it's something I'm doing, or not.

For example, our group chat the other week one was really suffering with her skin. Asked for skincare recommendations. I sent a photo of what I use, and immediately got comments of "huh well we can't all afford that!" (It's nothing excessive, again, mid range I think it was £18). Didn't think much of it.

I put a photo on FB of my children playing in the sand the other day and got comments about how I let them messy play in expensive clothes (they were from Next) and that I must be made of money.

I went for a socially distanced walk with two of them yesterday and I had a new handbag. I didn't mention it, they did and asked where it was from. Told them Boden and I said I'd got it in the sale reduced from £100 to £30 but they didn't really listen just said how nice it must be to be able to buy leather bags willy nilly especially when I don't work!

We were discussing ordering the children's school uniform the other day as one mum has a child just starting at school. I agreed that is bloody expensive etc. Asked where I got trousers from, I said Next as I find they wash and wear well. Cue shouts of "what a waste of money, nothing wrong with supermarket clothes, don't be such a snob!".

What I haven't told them is that we've recently come into a substantial early inheritance. It's enough that we will be able to buy a significantly bigger house in a nicer area and some land with no problems and that is what we plan to do. Another friend is also moving house (buying a bigger one) and I said that we're moving too (didn't say a word about upsizing etc) and again it started "you can't possibly need a bigger house, your house is huge" (it not, it's just a normal semi) "you've only got two children why do you need more space it's ridiculous think of us all crammed into a three bed" (we don't need extra space per se but it's an investment) .

My figure was also commented on yesterday. I've been carrying 4st of extra weight since I had my children. We've had a tough time of it with health problems with one child and I've been lacking the motivation to sort myself out. Since lockdown I've lost 3 of the 4 stone. Again I didn't mention it, but when I saw them there was a "wow, look at you that's great" followed by "you're going to get so scrawny, how have you managed that don't you eat any more? Are you taking diet pills?" I am still a stone overweight I'm nowhere near scrawny (or even slim!).

Aside from this I have no issue with these friends. We share a lot, we're close and we have been for a very long time. I just seem to offend or annoy them just by living my life quietly. I know there is a difference in our financial situations and I'm mindful of it. I don't show off, I wouldn't dream of suggesting we go to an more expensive place to eat/drink etc. It's always commented on when I buy a drink as I only really like a certain type of red wine (my days of drinking shots are done!) and apparently it's 'posh'. I don't like alcohol much, but I do like a glass of red. Who cares? I'm not bothered how much money my friends do or don't have.

One of the working friends said the other day in our group chat said that sahms need to be careful because we're going to be "screwed when we're old because we'll have no pensions". I agreed it was a risk but said we pay into a pension for me so I wasn't worried and I got back "of course you do, Mrs sensible, I bet you've got life insurance and a will too!" (I have, LI is a condition of the mortgage and surely a will is sensible?!).

Some of our being comfortable is down to pure luck (the early inheritance). Some of it is down to sensible financial decisions, saving hard, not getting into debt and keeping our family small. But I'm constantly being made to feel like I'm doing something wrong.

Am I?

OP posts:
lurch3r · 22/07/2020 08:11

Try speaking to the most sensible one by themselves. You've known each other such a long time it would be a shame just to drop them and she might be mortified. You should be able to be honest with someone you've known that long.

ManCubsMama · 22/07/2020 08:13

They are bitter & jealous, some people can’t bear to see others doing better than them - especially if you all grew up together, they’re probably thinking ‘it’s not fair, why does she have all that & I don’t?’ You can bet they have been bitching about you to each other, and now the little jibes are starting to let slip. I would confront them in a group setting and say that you’re aware of the financial differences but you’re not a willy nilly spender, not even that money driven and you’re noticing their comments and it’s becoming hurtful

Tappering · 22/07/2020 08:16

PS. I have stepped back a bit from a friend in a similar situation. She is shit with money - there's no way of dressing it up. She is in debt but carries on spending on crap. Consequently her credit rating is shot and she has zero savings. It all came to a head a few years ago because I decided to move house. Cue many comments about it being 'alright for some' and how she would love to move but could not afford to. Completely ignoring the fact that DH and I had been working and saving for a decade to do this, and that when she was holidaying in Florida, I was doing a week with a family member as our holiday. Plus I was working a second job in the evenings and weekends.

lilgreen · 22/07/2020 08:16

Ah that’s a shame. You sound like a good friend who is mindful that your situation is better in some ways and you don’t flaunt it. It’s plain and simple jealousy and a feeling of inadequacy in their part. It’s all their issue. Some people like everyone to be the same as them but it’s unlikely as life goes on. Is it just one in particular? Could you have a private chat?

Onemorerep · 22/07/2020 08:18

I had a "friend" like this OP and she's no longer a friend. I work in a profession that typically pays well in other parts of the country but I'm relatively junior, make ok money and work long hours, as does DP. We live modest lives and we're by no means loaded (far from it) yet she wrongly thought we were because of our jobs and never let me forget it.

Money was always a thing for this friend and she didn't hide it. She constantly spoke about it and made me feel bad about spending my own money. Heaven forbid I ever told her I couldn't afford to go out until payday!

It was so draining OP. It's not why the friendship ended but on reflection it wasn't healthy the way she made me feel any time she mentioned money.

If the friendships are worth saving you could just not mention money, continue as you are and live with the comments or, alternatively, distance yourself from them. I'm not sure trying to "defend" your choices (even though you shouldn't have to) would get you anywhere since opinions are clearly already wrongly formed (it wouldn't have with me). Personally, I let the comments go for a while and it wore me down so in the end only distance from her worked for me and it's a relief.

As PPs have said, friends build you up and don't knock you down. They should respect your life choices and recognise your hard work and success. They shouldn't hold it against you. Life's too short to feel bad about the way you choose to live it!

squanderedcore · 22/07/2020 08:21

Very well done re: the weight loss op.

Last time I bought white school shirts from Next, they were £12 for a pack of three, so those comments are really unfair.

I'd give these friends one more chance- after all these are challenging times for people - your friends could be very stressed about the forthcoming recession. And lockdown has been especially hard on mothers with dc. This stress could be emerging as jealousy (to give it a kind interpretation).

The next time you are all together and someone makes an unfair/unkind comment; could you say something like "look I bought those at Next not Harrods and frankly I am getting a little sick of having my individual spending priorities constantly judged and commented on."

If the comments still continue after that, then I'd politely withdraw from the group and move on.

LimedTimbers · 22/07/2020 08:22

To be honest they sound really jealous

Fazz44 · 22/07/2020 08:23

Yeah have to agree with some others on here, it does sound like they are jealous of your situation & the catty comments from them must be getting annoying to hear. It's not tit for tat, but maybe when another negative comment is said, try saying something back & standing your ground. A sarcastic comment back may make them realise the negativity they are showing towards you. But life is too short - If they continue, then maybe think about seeing/speaking to them less. Hope it works out

cantsaynotocake · 22/07/2020 08:24

This is awful! Jealous bitchy girls!
I had the same friendship group from school and I'm no longer friends with any of them, different reasons to yours but I do think it becomes habit and you feel like just because you've been friends forever you should remain friends, when In reality if you met these people now you most definitely wouldn't be friends. You have a few options, ask them outright and tell them how you feel, say nothing and put up with their crap and continue to feel miserable and dis respected or just cut them off and let them work out why! Xx

gonesolo · 22/07/2020 08:26

Sounds to me that they are bitter about their own life choices/situation. When they see you, they are reminded of what life could be like if they had done things differently. This negativity stems from inside them and it seeps out through snidey comments. As others have said the only way you can deal with this is by letting them know what it feels like when they say these things. I bet they probably don’t realise how their comments make you feel.

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 22/07/2020 08:29

I have stepped back a bit from a friend in a similar situation. She is shit with money - there's no way of dressing it up. She is in debt but carries on spending on crap. Consequently her credit rating is shot and she has zero savings. It all came to a head a few years ago because I decided to move house. Cue many comments about it being 'alright for some' and how she would love to move but could not afford to

Yup! Exactly the same experience here. Two friends who spent money like its water, never save, chose to lounge around at home on loans and go on OTT holidays they couldn't afford on credit whilst i worked my arse off. Many times I'd look at them and think WTF am I doing? theyre living the life of Reilly whilst I'm exhausted by 6 pm every day. Well not anymore. Now i'm earning well and they have lots of debt and no money left. Cue comments like "Must BE NICE to be able to afford xyz" No love, you did this to yourself, if its not nice for you, you only have one person to blame and it aint me! In my experience you either work hard now or later. My time was then, theirs is now.

willowmelangell · 22/07/2020 08:32

These do not sound like nice women. In any group of say, 6, women, someone has to earn the most. It does sound mean that you are being baited to provide details of your spending, just so they can make digs and comments.
Can you be vague and elusive in answers? Even more that you are. Frankly, I would be making myself less available.

CormoranStrike · 22/07/2020 08:32

You are not offending your friends. You are doing nothing offensive - they are choosing to take offence in the slightest thing, and maybe you need a bit more distance from them permanently.

Or, if the friendship is otherwise strong, ignore the comments and enjoy the good bits.

NeedToKnow101 · 22/07/2020 08:37

You sound really nice and well-balanced. They sound like idiots.

Lsquiggles · 22/07/2020 08:38

You may have shared history, however, they clearly can't relate to you now. Who needs enemies with friends like these? Shock if you really aren't bragging to them (which it doesn't sound like you are) then personally I'd distance myself from them. Don't let them take enjoyment out of the things you're proud of being able to do, life is too short!

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 22/07/2020 08:41

I think it is understandable that your friends are envious of your comfortable financial situation but absolutely no need to be nasty to you about it.
Sometimes we can offend people without realising it. A friend of mine stopped work after having her children as her husband earned a fortune. I was having coffee with her in her gorgeous 5 bedroom house, while her cleaner worked around us. Friend was complaining that she didn't really fancy the place they were going for their winter sun holiday, their third trip of the year. I had to go home to do my housework, was working, and could still only afford one holiday a year. I'm telling you this is OP because my friend never boasted about her wealth but was very often unintentionally insensitive.
We were reasonably comfortable though, and it made me realise I should be more thoughtful about less well off friends.
Your friends don't sound very nice but have a think about unintentional ways you might be flaunting your financial position .

ILoveTotoro · 22/07/2020 08:44

Oh op they sound jealous

Genuine, real friends should be happy for their friends successes. I can never understand why they aren't. My heart breaks for you because I know how it feels...I've had a "friend" be jealous of me and be mean and nasty but in a really subtle way so it's hard to call her out. I've walked away but I get that it will be hard for you to do that as it seems like your whole group is like it

you sound really lovely by the way xx

blackteaplease · 22/07/2020 08:44

You are not offending them, you are living your life and making your choices as are they. Unfortunately your friends are perceiving your comments and actions in relation to their status and are coming across as jealous. I'm not sure what you can do about it though. I'd seethe and say nothing as I'd be afraid to lose the friendships but that's not a healthy approach. But if you call them out that wont go down well either.

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 22/07/2020 08:47

@RockingMyFiftiesNot

I get what you're saying but where do you draw the line? I lost my mum young- she never got to see me get married, never got to meet my children etc. It hurts like hell when I hear other people moan about their mothers and how annoying they are because I would give anything to see her again and have her be annoying. HOWEVER- I cannot expect my friends to just top talking about their mothers can I? Its not their fault I lost mine and even though it hurts, I dont stop them talking about it.

I'm sure we all have topics that are raw to us and they will be different for everyone. The OP describes a situation where she isnt moaning about her wealth, they asked her about her life and she simply answered. If the topic is painful for her friends then why do they keep on and on bringing it up? This isnt just a normal twinge of jealousy which we all get- they are almost trying to bring the topic up just to bash her over the head with it. Thats awful.

Laurie01 · 22/07/2020 08:48

You are not doing anything wrong. They're obviously just jealous.

Next time they comment, be ready with some responses:

"Why did you ask that question?"
"What answer do you expect?"
"You don't even believe that!"

Otherwise ignore, stay calm, maybe just smile and say nothing x

Diverseopinions · 22/07/2020 08:48

Just reading your original post again, I realise I had missed taking account of a very significant change in your life: you've made the incredible achievement of losing a lot of what felt to you like excess weight - and just over the lock-down period too. It could be that it is this very significant change which has prompted your friends' jealousy. As it would seem strange to really take issue with what one's friends buy - as everyone, and all of them, must have different priorities and some extravagances, and they'd forget to keep commenting - but a physical demonstration of something great you've managed, right before their eyes, everytime they see you, might ignite their envy. This makes it even more petty and unfriendly. Surely all friends should encourage one another to try to be fit and healthy - especially if they've had a difficult time in the past, and wanted to focus on fitness, but felt unable to because of so much going on with their family.

EL8888 · 22/07/2020 08:55

@Soubriquet exactly! They sound bitchy and mean, l bet jealousy is the main thing driving this.
It sounds like things get twisted round and thrown back at you. I am guessing you don’t want to open your mouth in front of them. Do they go on about you being “lucky”? In reality you have made some smart financial decisions, worked hard and don’t live above your means

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 22/07/2020 08:55

[quote AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter]@RockingMyFiftiesNot

I get what you're saying but where do you draw the line? I lost my mum young- she never got to see me get married, never got to meet my children etc. It hurts like hell when I hear other people moan about their mothers and how annoying they are because I would give anything to see her again and have her be annoying. HOWEVER- I cannot expect my friends to just top talking about their mothers can I? Its not their fault I lost mine and even though it hurts, I dont stop them talking about it.

I'm sure we all have topics that are raw to us and they will be different for everyone. The OP describes a situation where she isnt moaning about her wealth, they asked her about her life and she simply answered. If the topic is painful for her friends then why do they keep on and on bringing it up? This isnt just a normal twinge of jealousy which we all get- they are almost trying to bring the topic up just to bash her over the head with it. Thats awful.[/quote]
Yes I agree with you about where do you draw the line otherwise you'd never talk to anyone about anything, sometimes people are oblivious to how insensitive they are being. I am absolutely not saying the OP is being, just something for her to consider.

KaleJuicer · 22/07/2020 08:56

You’re doing nothing wrong. They sound very unpleasant and unreasonable. I think perhaps time to both call them out on their nastiness and widen your social circle to find some new friends.

loutypips · 22/07/2020 08:57

They aren't your friends. Move on. Find friends that don't make you feel shit.

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