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How do I stop unintentionally offending my friends?

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ninjaturtle000 · 21/07/2020 20:46

Thoughts please, be as blunt as you like.

I'll try to keep this short but I will give background for context.

I have a small group of close friends who have been in my life for 20+ years. We're the same age. Our lives have all been fairly similar but my financial situation has improved over the last few years, while theirs hasn't and I feel it's starting to cause issues even though I do not discuss money.

So my situation is that I am now a stay at home mother. Before that, I worked FT and in a fairly well paid job for my age and experience (higher rate taxpayer). Before we had the children we saved really hard, sold our starter home and bought a 4 bed family home for quite a good price. It's shot up
in value since (although I expect that will take a hit!). DH has a really good job and earns really well. He works his bum off, and is out of the house 7-7 in normal times (currently WFH). We decided to have two children because we knew we could afford that comfortably.

We don't struggle for money but we are very sensible. We drive old second hand cars, don't holiday abroad, shop at Aldi etc. On the other hand, if I want to buy the children some nice clothes (nothing excessive, places like Frugi etc) then I do and don't worry about it.

In my friendship group we have another sahm with a high earning partner but they have lots and lots of debt and are renting. They have five children and find it tough financially. Another is a nurse, homeowner with three children with an average earning partner, they do ok I think. One is a civil servant, homeowner with three children and another average earning partner, again I think they do ok and the other is a secretary with a low earning partner, own home and four children.

As I said, I don't talk about money. But recently I've had quite a few comments which have been really off, and it's starting to bother me. I don't know if it's something I'm doing, or not.

For example, our group chat the other week one was really suffering with her skin. Asked for skincare recommendations. I sent a photo of what I use, and immediately got comments of "huh well we can't all afford that!" (It's nothing excessive, again, mid range I think it was £18). Didn't think much of it.

I put a photo on FB of my children playing in the sand the other day and got comments about how I let them messy play in expensive clothes (they were from Next) and that I must be made of money.

I went for a socially distanced walk with two of them yesterday and I had a new handbag. I didn't mention it, they did and asked where it was from. Told them Boden and I said I'd got it in the sale reduced from £100 to £30 but they didn't really listen just said how nice it must be to be able to buy leather bags willy nilly especially when I don't work!

We were discussing ordering the children's school uniform the other day as one mum has a child just starting at school. I agreed that is bloody expensive etc. Asked where I got trousers from, I said Next as I find they wash and wear well. Cue shouts of "what a waste of money, nothing wrong with supermarket clothes, don't be such a snob!".

What I haven't told them is that we've recently come into a substantial early inheritance. It's enough that we will be able to buy a significantly bigger house in a nicer area and some land with no problems and that is what we plan to do. Another friend is also moving house (buying a bigger one) and I said that we're moving too (didn't say a word about upsizing etc) and again it started "you can't possibly need a bigger house, your house is huge" (it not, it's just a normal semi) "you've only got two children why do you need more space it's ridiculous think of us all crammed into a three bed" (we don't need extra space per se but it's an investment) .

My figure was also commented on yesterday. I've been carrying 4st of extra weight since I had my children. We've had a tough time of it with health problems with one child and I've been lacking the motivation to sort myself out. Since lockdown I've lost 3 of the 4 stone. Again I didn't mention it, but when I saw them there was a "wow, look at you that's great" followed by "you're going to get so scrawny, how have you managed that don't you eat any more? Are you taking diet pills?" I am still a stone overweight I'm nowhere near scrawny (or even slim!).

Aside from this I have no issue with these friends. We share a lot, we're close and we have been for a very long time. I just seem to offend or annoy them just by living my life quietly. I know there is a difference in our financial situations and I'm mindful of it. I don't show off, I wouldn't dream of suggesting we go to an more expensive place to eat/drink etc. It's always commented on when I buy a drink as I only really like a certain type of red wine (my days of drinking shots are done!) and apparently it's 'posh'. I don't like alcohol much, but I do like a glass of red. Who cares? I'm not bothered how much money my friends do or don't have.

One of the working friends said the other day in our group chat said that sahms need to be careful because we're going to be "screwed when we're old because we'll have no pensions". I agreed it was a risk but said we pay into a pension for me so I wasn't worried and I got back "of course you do, Mrs sensible, I bet you've got life insurance and a will too!" (I have, LI is a condition of the mortgage and surely a will is sensible?!).

Some of our being comfortable is down to pure luck (the early inheritance). Some of it is down to sensible financial decisions, saving hard, not getting into debt and keeping our family small. But I'm constantly being made to feel like I'm doing something wrong.

Am I?

OP posts:
Glittertwins · 22/07/2020 07:25

Agree with the others, you've outgrown these friends.
Friends should be happy for each other. My oldest friend has a very different lifestyle from me but we still get along just fine with no figs or "banter" on personal choices

Cadent · 22/07/2020 07:26

He works his bum off

DH works hard

YANBU OP, it sounds like you don't rub your better financial situation in their faces so they shouldn't comment on it. Although I do cringe a bit when people make comments about working hard for their money. Most people work hard for their money, it doesn't make well off people more admirable.

I think you'd like to be able to discuss your good fortune with people (there's a lot of detail in your post). IME, it's usually only really your parents/spouse that will be truly happy for you.

Cadent · 22/07/2020 07:28

Ignore the YANBU, didn't realise it's chat

LonginesPrime · 22/07/2020 07:30

They're shit friends, OP - from what you've said, it doesn't sound like you've done anything wrong.

Winifredgoose · 22/07/2020 07:31

I wouldn't want to spend time with people who made bitchy comments to me. It is totally weird that they do this, and is very unpleasant.
I had comments like this from an old school friend ten years ago(one time she made a horrible joke publicly at a party about me having a cleaner), and I was shocked and upset about it. We have drifted apart now.
Whatever the cause of the comments, I would try and naturally move away from these women.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/07/2020 07:33

@Orangesox - what a horror your ex "close friend" sounds - totally cruel, in fact! Glad you walked away from her because she sounds incredibly bad for your wellbeing :(

Russellbrandshair · 22/07/2020 07:36

Although I do cringe a bit when people make comments about working hard for their money. Most people work hard for their money, it doesn't make well off people more admirable

It has nothing to do with being “admirable” though and everything to do with it not being luck. People implying it’s unfair you have more because you’re “lucky” does sting a bit when you’ve spent 6 years studying hard, racking up huge student debt then working several jobs to get through college only to finally get a well paid job after years of slog and debt and hardship . I’m sorry but that’s not luck, that IS hard work and it doesn’t in any way negate the fact that others also work hard. But it’s not fcking luck either!

CBen92 · 22/07/2020 07:37

You chose to have 2 children and they chose to have more and so they are bound to have less money as children are expensive. They are so lucky to have all these children and should stop moaning. We all have to work hard and we all make our choices. They don't sound like great friends and you must stop feeling guilty and carry on being you as you sound great and you've done nothing wrong

totalpeas22 · 22/07/2020 07:39

You need to find some nicer people, they are obviously jealous. Why on earth would someone have 5 children when they cannot afford to?

Tinamou · 22/07/2020 07:44

The problem with this kind of situation is that it develops into a habit - you have inadvertently taken on a certain role within the group and it won't change like magic.

I remember a friendship group I knew when I was younger, men in this case, they'd all been friends for years, played football together etc. There was one guy who always got the piss taken out of him. The others assumed he didn't mind and it was just 'banter', and were genuinely shocked when he stepped back from the group and explained why.

I think your friends are probably the same. They like you and don't mean to be hurtful, but they've got in the habit of putting you down to make themselves feel better.

You need to be honest, either with the whole group or just one or two of them who you're closest to. Think of a couple of specific examples and explain that you found them upsetting. If it happens again, call them out.

If it keeps on happening, then yes you probably need to find new friends.

Cadent · 22/07/2020 07:46

@RussellbrandshairI don't think anyone has used the word 'lucky'?

I wouldn't describe anyone who has gone through med school to become a doctor as lucky, I know that takes work.

I did go to university, rack up the debt, and get the high paying job, but I wouldn't say I worked any harder then my dad, who worked 15 hour shifts as a taxi harder just to be able to afford the mortgage and put food on the table and had no savings.

Cadent · 22/07/2020 07:47

harder? driver!

Gumbo · 22/07/2020 07:49

Yup, agree with all the PP who say it's jealousy.

I had a friend like this (note 'had'). She and her DH lived in a tiny house with one of them on minimum wage and the other not earning much more. DH and I are careful with money and have had 'lucky breaks' in our careers so were both high earners with company cars and a good sized house (with a tiny mortgage). We never discussed our finances in any way and always chose inexpensive activities with them. Nevertheless, there were constant digs from my friend about how rich we were, the size of our house etc - I always avoided the subject and laughed it off. Then I left my job and had to buy my own car; a few months later friends DH wanted to buy a new car and they asked me how much mine cost (wasn't massively expensive, £15k)... then they asked me about my finance deal and I told them I didn't have one as I paid cash (I would absolutely never have mentioned this if they hadn't specifically asked). They were shocked and went on about my 'wealth' forever... it got too much and to be honest was hurtful as I'd never flaunted anything and didn't care how much money they had as they were friends. Were.

In your position if you can find the friend that does this the 'least' I think I'd ask her - otherwise I'd cut my losses, it's not worth it and it sucks the enjoyment out of the friendship.

MattBerrysHair · 22/07/2020 07:50

You've not done anything wrong. Just existing is going to offend them so there's nothing you can actively do to change the relationship other than take yourself away from it.

I'm the poor friend out of my friendship group, disabled and dependant on benefits to top up my part-time income. It's just the way it is and I can't change it. I have NEVER passed comment on where people buy their DC's clothes or their houses in a negative way as I'd be doing the same if I could afford it! I'm pleased that my friends have good fortune because I care about them, I want them to be happy. I'm also pretty content with my lot most of the time so don't feel resentful about their lifestyle and choices.

Say something next time it happens and based on their reaction I'd be considering whether or not to put some distance in place. Envy is such a destructive emotion and it sounds like your friends have let it get the better of them.

KrabbyPatties · 22/07/2020 07:51

I really love your get up and go OP.
You sound like you have buckets of energy and discipline.

Enjoy yourself and bin off the Whingers

EboracumNovum · 22/07/2020 07:51

Honestly I think your friends are the problem.

I'm a FT working divorced single parent with a terrace in a cul de sac...I've got friends living in 7-figure houses in central London and I couldn't give a shit and certainly wouldn't make snarky comments about their good fortune.

You've been sensible, worked hard and had a bit of good luck. There's nothing wrong with that or with liking nice things.

Russellbrandshair · 22/07/2020 07:54

@cadent I think it’s the implicit implication though from the OPs bitch friends, that she is somehow luckier than them and it’s unfair she can buy this stuff and have a big house etc when they cannot.
That’s what they are implying, and really, even if it WAS pure luck and nothing to do with work how does that make being bitchy ok? We can all find someone more attractive, richer, slimmer, luckier than us. We can also find someone far worse off than us so moaning about it is utterly pointless.

Grandmi · 22/07/2020 07:55

They are not good friends . They sound very bitchy and hardwork to be around . I have friends from all different backgrounds ,career,income and education but I get on really well with each and every one of them . Time to move on I think 🤔

thaegumathteth · 22/07/2020 07:55

Op they're not your friends now despite the shared history. They're belittling you and jealous.

I'm in a similar financial position to you I think. Nobody has ever mentioned anything like the above to me. Well, except my mother but she's bound to because that's what she does.

GreyGoose1980 · 22/07/2020 07:59

Hi OP

They sound jealous and narrow minded.
I think that sometimes friendship groups where everyone is the same age at the same stage of life and known each other for ages can get overly competitive / over familiar.

Also where we shop is not necessarily reflective of income/ financial situation; just the choices we make and what we spend our money on.

If you value this group them I’d start calling them out over the comments. However I’d look for a new more diverse open minded social circle who are nicer to you.

I’m someone who shops in Next Gap and then Boden and Fat Face when there’s a sale. I’m pretty mid earning for my friends / work colleagues but most of us would describe Next as a mid range high street brand. You sound so considerate almost apologetic for anything good in your life. Your friendship group would have a fit if they met some of my outspoken fun mulberry handbag owning workmates.

BettyCrockaShit · 22/07/2020 07:59

God almighty, with friends like these who needs enemies? OP, what are you getting from these relationships? If it were me, I'd probably turn them loose.

Cadent · 22/07/2020 08:03

@Russellbrandshair

I think it’s the implicit implication though from the OPs bitch friends, that she is somehow luckier than them and it’s unfair she can buy this stuff and have a big house etc when they cannot.
That’s what they are implying, and really, even if it WAS pure luck and nothing to do with work how does that make being bitchy ok? We can all find someone more attractive, richer, slimmer, luckier than us. We can also find someone far worse off than us so moaning about it is utterly pointless.

Yes, I agree that friends aren't very nice. I don't think the bitchiness is justified.

Ellapaella · 22/07/2020 08:10

These are no friends, they sound really unpleasant. You aren't doing anything wrong and if they can't be happy for you and do nothing but criticise you then they aren't worth wasting your time on.

FreddoFrogAddict · 22/07/2020 08:10

Friendships are not set in stone, and just because you have shared history you should not accept being made to feel bad/awkward/irritated. If you really value their friendship and they bring positives into your life then you need to mention that you're finding their comments hurtful. Maybe it's become a habit and they're not even aware they're doing it.

We're in a similar financial situation with our main friendship group, but we have never faced any negative comments or backhanded remarks. Our nickname is now Lord and lady 'x' and that's as far as it goes.

Tappering · 22/07/2020 08:11

You are mistaking longevity for loyalty.

The fact that you've known them for a long time, does not mean that you are required to put up with nasty comments. They bitch at you because it makes them feel better. And if that's what they say to your face, I suspect there is worse going on behind your back.

They are jealous. Fair enough - they are human and it happens. But if they truly were your friends and they cared about you, then they wouldn't be mean to you.

Find some new friends. I would also tell this group that you are stepping back from them because the constant comments about you, how you look, your house and your choices are making you feel very upset and unwelcome.

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