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How do I stop unintentionally offending my friends?

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ninjaturtle000 · 21/07/2020 20:46

Thoughts please, be as blunt as you like.

I'll try to keep this short but I will give background for context.

I have a small group of close friends who have been in my life for 20+ years. We're the same age. Our lives have all been fairly similar but my financial situation has improved over the last few years, while theirs hasn't and I feel it's starting to cause issues even though I do not discuss money.

So my situation is that I am now a stay at home mother. Before that, I worked FT and in a fairly well paid job for my age and experience (higher rate taxpayer). Before we had the children we saved really hard, sold our starter home and bought a 4 bed family home for quite a good price. It's shot up
in value since (although I expect that will take a hit!). DH has a really good job and earns really well. He works his bum off, and is out of the house 7-7 in normal times (currently WFH). We decided to have two children because we knew we could afford that comfortably.

We don't struggle for money but we are very sensible. We drive old second hand cars, don't holiday abroad, shop at Aldi etc. On the other hand, if I want to buy the children some nice clothes (nothing excessive, places like Frugi etc) then I do and don't worry about it.

In my friendship group we have another sahm with a high earning partner but they have lots and lots of debt and are renting. They have five children and find it tough financially. Another is a nurse, homeowner with three children with an average earning partner, they do ok I think. One is a civil servant, homeowner with three children and another average earning partner, again I think they do ok and the other is a secretary with a low earning partner, own home and four children.

As I said, I don't talk about money. But recently I've had quite a few comments which have been really off, and it's starting to bother me. I don't know if it's something I'm doing, or not.

For example, our group chat the other week one was really suffering with her skin. Asked for skincare recommendations. I sent a photo of what I use, and immediately got comments of "huh well we can't all afford that!" (It's nothing excessive, again, mid range I think it was £18). Didn't think much of it.

I put a photo on FB of my children playing in the sand the other day and got comments about how I let them messy play in expensive clothes (they were from Next) and that I must be made of money.

I went for a socially distanced walk with two of them yesterday and I had a new handbag. I didn't mention it, they did and asked where it was from. Told them Boden and I said I'd got it in the sale reduced from £100 to £30 but they didn't really listen just said how nice it must be to be able to buy leather bags willy nilly especially when I don't work!

We were discussing ordering the children's school uniform the other day as one mum has a child just starting at school. I agreed that is bloody expensive etc. Asked where I got trousers from, I said Next as I find they wash and wear well. Cue shouts of "what a waste of money, nothing wrong with supermarket clothes, don't be such a snob!".

What I haven't told them is that we've recently come into a substantial early inheritance. It's enough that we will be able to buy a significantly bigger house in a nicer area and some land with no problems and that is what we plan to do. Another friend is also moving house (buying a bigger one) and I said that we're moving too (didn't say a word about upsizing etc) and again it started "you can't possibly need a bigger house, your house is huge" (it not, it's just a normal semi) "you've only got two children why do you need more space it's ridiculous think of us all crammed into a three bed" (we don't need extra space per se but it's an investment) .

My figure was also commented on yesterday. I've been carrying 4st of extra weight since I had my children. We've had a tough time of it with health problems with one child and I've been lacking the motivation to sort myself out. Since lockdown I've lost 3 of the 4 stone. Again I didn't mention it, but when I saw them there was a "wow, look at you that's great" followed by "you're going to get so scrawny, how have you managed that don't you eat any more? Are you taking diet pills?" I am still a stone overweight I'm nowhere near scrawny (or even slim!).

Aside from this I have no issue with these friends. We share a lot, we're close and we have been for a very long time. I just seem to offend or annoy them just by living my life quietly. I know there is a difference in our financial situations and I'm mindful of it. I don't show off, I wouldn't dream of suggesting we go to an more expensive place to eat/drink etc. It's always commented on when I buy a drink as I only really like a certain type of red wine (my days of drinking shots are done!) and apparently it's 'posh'. I don't like alcohol much, but I do like a glass of red. Who cares? I'm not bothered how much money my friends do or don't have.

One of the working friends said the other day in our group chat said that sahms need to be careful because we're going to be "screwed when we're old because we'll have no pensions". I agreed it was a risk but said we pay into a pension for me so I wasn't worried and I got back "of course you do, Mrs sensible, I bet you've got life insurance and a will too!" (I have, LI is a condition of the mortgage and surely a will is sensible?!).

Some of our being comfortable is down to pure luck (the early inheritance). Some of it is down to sensible financial decisions, saving hard, not getting into debt and keeping our family small. But I'm constantly being made to feel like I'm doing something wrong.

Am I?

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user1471453601 · 21/07/2020 21:24

My best friend is a millionaire, on paper. I'm what would be called comfortable, money wise. It makes not a jot of difference to our friendship.I know the struggles she's had in the 40'years I've known her and she knows mine

We have absolutely no difficulty maintaining our friendship, despite the financial difference. Money does not come into it.

If your friends cannot do the same, then they are not, truley, your friends

CantSleepClownsWillEatMe · 21/07/2020 21:29

It’s jealousy and from what you describe it seems pretty clear that you are being discussed behind your back, obviously in quite a resentful and begrudging way. I’ve had the occasional snide remark along similar lines but not often enough that I can’t just shrug it off (and not from people I’m close enough to really give a damn what they think tbh)

I don’t think justifying yourself in response to these comments is the answer and why the hell should you anyway? Tbh I don’t think I’d be comfortable with the friendship any longer but if you want to try to keep it or get back on an even keel, I think you might have to bite the bullet and ask them directly what the problem is. They’ll deny there is one of course and likely claim it’s just a joke Hmm.

For me it’s not something that could be swept under the carpet so I’d have to have a direct conversation about it and depending on how that went, decide whether I was really getting anything positive from the friendship or whether it was just a “habit”.

SauvignonBlanketyBlank · 21/07/2020 21:35

Jealous fuckers.Id cut them out.

Elsiebear90 · 21/07/2020 21:38

They’re jealous and I guarantee they’re all bitching about you behind your back. They’re not your friends any more because they’re envious of you and you make them feel worse about themselves (not your fault, but some people can’t stand to be friends with people they view as having more or being “better” than them), they’re your frenemies, hence, their nastiness is showing sometimes.

Fanthorpe · 21/07/2020 21:47

It’s ages and stages isn’t it, I think you’re all a bit close for comfort. They feel they know you well enough to comment, you’re more private, so feeling uncomfortable. If you stay friends there’ll be more of this, some kids doing better than others, people doing well in careers, illnesses, it’s just life.

I think if you move to a big house with land you will find yourself a lot more scrutinised and judged though. It can feel painful when someone we see as a contemporary suddenly gets something we don’t, however nice we think we are.

FireUnderpants · 21/07/2020 21:47

If they say this to your face I wonder what they say behind your back?

I would distance and find some new friends. If they care to ask why point out their shitty comments.

Tlollj · 21/07/2020 21:53

They’re jealous I’m afraid.
Shame if you’ve known them a long time, but I’d be seeing less of them in future.

goldpendant · 21/07/2020 21:58

Sounds like one or more of them have been discussing your good fortune (and planning) behind your back.

That said, I had a friend in a very similar position to you, who did often drop money into the conversation - you say you don't, but are you 100% you haven't said or done anything previously that could have set your friends off on this nasty path?

BTW there's nothing wrong with buying uniform in Next, quite run of the mill and certainly not snobbish. Your friends sound very unkind and like they have a chip on their shoulder. Where has it come from?

goldpendant · 21/07/2020 22:00

And what @user1471453601 says is 💯 true. My good friends from school (I had a scholarship) are all much wealthier than us and it simply doesn't matter, or it shouldn't over a 20 yr friendship. I'd be frank with them and call them out, only way you'll get to the bottom of it.

ninjaturtle000 · 21/07/2020 22:06

I think the school uniform thing was because the friend that said it has five children with four in school, and they are probably the worst off financially. School uniform does cost a lot and I would not like to be paying for it for four! So, understandably she gets hers from supermarkets because it's cheaper. Fair enough I don't think there is a thing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean I have to do the same. I haven't found the supermarket bits that I've bought before have lasted nearly as well as Next stuff, so I get it from there instead.

I suppose from that you could get an implied criticism, me thinking the slightly more expensive clothes are better. But literally all I said was 'I get the boys bits from Next, I find they wash and wear really well so they're good value'.

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Sparticuscaticus · 21/07/2020 22:06

Can't you just reply 'Oh give it a rest! Since when did careful investments become something for friends to criticise? I'd prefer you were happy for us - we have different numbers of children/ priorities in what we invest in. Neither way is right or better'

Also if anyone asked me how much my handbag or future house cost and I didn't want to say, I'd just laugh 'ooooh you're nosey today ... I shan't tell you the colour of my knickers either!'

And....
I'd be tempted to join in & "own it" if friends were teasing about me getting a bigger house about us not needing the room..' ah but we need a west wing for the butler.. then there's the piano room, the indoor cinema with gold leaf wallpaper, indoor swimming pool ground floor- what do you mean I don't need that?! 🤣 Girl, why are you banging on about it? Be happy for us that we've found a lovely new home with a bit more space!'

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Sparticuscaticus · 21/07/2020 22:11

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MrsAJ27 · 21/07/2020 22:13

These ppl are not your friends, I couldn't be around ppl like this...draining is understatement.

I really hope you find a friendship group that value you

Illdealwithitinaminute · 21/07/2020 22:15

Most friends are happy for their friends when they do well in life, and even if they are secretly a bit jealous, would not say anything.

This is mean, picking at you and will start to feel like bullying if it carries on.

Perhaps you have outgrown each other.

I would spend less time on group chat, I always find groups go a bit funny after a while, and more time with the one or two you get on with very well.

You shouldn't be apologising for your life. The things you are doing are ordinary things- buying skincare, shopping in ok shops, imagine if you really were incredibly wealthy!

Bitching over a £30 bag shows they are not your friends.

Sorry, but I think you need to wake up that for some reason the group is taking a wrong turn, and extricate yourself from it or the couple of negative people within it.

Diverseopinions · 21/07/2020 22:19

If it's happened fairly recently, it could be that certain friends are protecting another in the group who has said privately that she feels terrible about having little money, and conscious of not having managed things well, especially when she is with those who get it right. Or something along those sorts of lines. If the comments being made sound forced and making a point. It could be that one of these ladies has had a rocky period, and a couple of the others are doing a 'we're all in the same boat' show of solidarity. It is very unfair to yourself and you shouldn't have to change what you do. However, until you sort things out, perhaps by following some of the advice on this thread, e.g., talking to the friend to whom you feel close, why not side-step sharing images of things. You shouldn't have to do this of course. Photos always highlight appearance ( obviously), pretty kids, nice chairs, etc. . Perhaps put your heart into words and just post pics of friendly robins in your garden or a pic which reminds you of a place you all went and shared memories, or a humorous pic. It sounds like the jibes/banter is childish, but I'd be side-stepping 'material possessions' chat. There is a recent MN thread about the awkwardness of money being talked about. Maybe just don't mention costs of things - after all, what does it matter where you get things and what anyone, individually, pays. Anyone can get brilliant stuff in TK Max( leather bags for £20), or on eBay and in charity shops ( as I invariably do) - and why should anyone hold anyone else to account for what they buy.

runbummyrun · 21/07/2020 22:29

They are cunts

Saz12 · 21/07/2020 22:30

Sounds like they got into a bad habit of being critical of your life/choices.

You have to speak up. Is there one or two you get on better with, of a recess defensive? Can you speak to them first?

Burnthurst187 · 21/07/2020 22:32

From what you've said these so called friends sound more like mum's from school who you barely know. I can't help thinking that they resent you and your lifestyle

If you're going to continue seeing them then you probably need to raise it with them, face to face. Let them know that you don't appreciate the snide comments

If people want to have four and five children then perhaps they should have thought whether they can afford to do that financially first

strawberrymilkshakemonkey · 21/07/2020 22:33

tbh, your friends sound like they're jealous. it also sounds as thouh you are careful with your money, and choose to spend it on different things, as opposed to going on holidays and stuff like that. totally your choice OP. they shouldn't make you feel bad about it. such is life, we all have different financial sitations and it doesnt sound as though you're showing off about it.

thriftyhen · 21/07/2020 22:35

Time to find some new friends, I think.

eaglejulesk · 21/07/2020 22:35

I would be looking for new friends! They don't sound like the sort of people I would want to spend time with. You do not need to justify your spending btw - find some people who have more pleasant interests than sniping at others.

Yawwwwwwwn · 21/07/2020 23:15

I have a friend a bit like this, but I've also been that friend too.

My parents worked their way up to lower middle class by (early) retirement. I dived down into the lowest of working class, and have even been homeless before.

I knew other mums who could afford Next and Frugi (not just when the sales were on) and so on, and there did seem to be a certain air round those who could afford those things.

Thing is, is that it can end up being a good investment to buy Next etc, but a) you need the money to get stuff in the first place and b) you won't get the wear out of the clothes if your kids are like mine and go through everything because of picking holes in clothes etc.

So sometimes its a matter of whether a family can afford the investment or whether their children are going to look after their clothes, branded or not.

I do think you should say something. It's getting the wording right that might be a trouble. And it's probably a conversation best had face to face of possible. They just need to know that you feel you can't talk about anything because of the constant remarks about your purchases, and it's making you feel awkward and sad. If they're decent at all then they'll buck up

FrangipaniBlue · 21/07/2020 23:19

"How do I stop unintentionally offending my friends?"

Honestly?

Find new (better) friends

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